Post by Muggles Post by trader_4 Post by Roger Blake Post by Stormin' Norman
The fact that Trump won the election is of absolutely no importance to
me. It simply means that 63 million Americans were gullible and made
a bad choice.
It was the people who voted for Hillary that are gullible and made
a bad choice. Fortunately their bad choice did not ensnare the rest
The really important thing here is not Trump per se, but that the
left-wing agenda has been derailed.
Hitler, Mussolini and all the rest similarly were hailed as saviors
because they replaced the failures before them. Me, I'm not just
concerned with what is being replaced, but also with what is replacing
it. Sadly, for the Trumpets, that isn't a consideration.
Post by Roger Blake Post by Stormin' Norman
You are welcome to give him the benefit of the doubt if that is what
you wish to do. I, on the other hand, with regard to Trump, have a
very significant balance of doubt and tremendous deficit of benefit.
That is because you are a left-wing fool.
If you've seen Stormin's many posts, it's obvious he's not a left
winger. Neither am I. I'm a Reagan conservative. Both of us are
horrified by the daily embarrassment that Trump brings and we
can point out fact by fact why. This is the standard Trumpet
ad hominem deflection, that anyone opposed to Trump must be a
Liar liar pants on fire! I'm a Reagan conservative! You're nothing even
close to being a conservative!
Cite for us the core positions that show I'm not a conservative.
And note that being opposed to Trump isn't an answer, though obviously
Trumpets think it is.
I can cite for you why you're not a conservative:
1 - You immediately blame the police in any shooting of a black,
refuse to even wait for the full facts to come out. How did that
work with Michael Brown? The deaf black guy? Baltimore? You
immediately portray some jerk that's out of control, resisting
arrest, as just a poor victim.
What conservative does that?
2 - You ignore all the things Trump has done that are totally opposite
conservative principles and what we stand for.
2a - Since WWII, conservatives have viewed Russia as an enemy,
except for a brief period in the 90s. Most recently conservatives
have all stood together against Russia for what they did in Crimea,
Ukraine, MH17, Syria, Putin and his mob thugs stealing the wealth
of the country. But one fine day, Trump says Putin is swell, his buddy,
and it's all hail Trump and now Putin is cool.
2b - Trump is advocating protectionist trade strategies, tariffs,
since when is that a conservative principle?
2c - Trump believes there is one set of rules for himself, one for
everyone else. He bullies Carrier, GM, Ford over their foreign
business interests, threatens them, yet he himself freely imports
Chinese goods to sell and does billion dollar development deals overseas,
creating jobs there instead of America. That's using big govt to
bully business, while doing what you pleas yourself. That is
2d - Trump disparages all US intel agencies, without even receiving
his briefings. Without even seeing what US intel has, Trump sides
with Putin and Assange. Has Trump been to CIA to see the stars on
the wall? This is conservatism?
2e - Trump says he's against pay to play, will "drain the swamp".
Before even taking office, Taiwan pays Bob Dole $140K to lobby
Trump. Trump speaks with Dole, then takes the phone call from
Taiwan, starts to change US foreign policy. That's what a
conservative would do? That's what REagan would do?
Then there are all the betrayals, eg Trump promised to deport
11 mil illegals, round up the bunch of rapists, get them all
out in just a year or two. Now, having fooled you into voting
for him, well, now they are "good people" who we have to be
"fair to", there will be no deportation for most of them.
That's a conservative?
There are plenty of other examples. Now show us why I'm not a