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BurfordTJustice
2018-05-12 10:30:06 UTC
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7 Killed in Australian Mass Shooting

Seven people were killed in a shooting in Western Australia on Friday.

Someone in Osmington, Australia, a small village near the town of Margaret
River, murdered seven members of the same family. Police responded to a call
about the shooting around dawn. They found three generations of the same
family killed and recovered two firearms from the scene.

"Police are currently responding to what I can only describe as a horrific
incident," Western Australia state police commissioner Chris Dawson told the
Associated Press. "This devastating tragedy will no doubt have a lasting
impact on the families concerned, the whole community and, in particular,
the local communities in our southwest."

The police said that four children and three adults were among those
murdered.

"It appears that gunshot wounds are there, but I don't want to go further
than that," Dawson told the BBC. "The loss of any life is tragic, but four
children and three adults-this is a significant tragedy."

Australia effectively banned the ownership of most firearms for most people
in the wake of a 1996 shooting in Port Arthur. The ban was enforced through
a gun confiscation scheme that included a mandatory buyback program.

The country's gun ban has been hailed by many gun-control activists in the
United States and around the world as a template for preventing mass
shootings and gun violence. Former President Barack Obama praised the gun
ban in 2015 while bemoaning the fact that he hadn't been able to pass the
gun-control policies he had wanted to at that point in his presidency.

"When Australia had a mass killing-I think it was in Tasmania-about 25 years
ago, it was just so shocking the entire country said, 'Well, we're going to
completely change our gun laws,' and they did," he told comedian Marc Maron
during a podcast taping. "And it hasn't happened since."

The country had just seen a mass shooting-where four or more people were
murdered-a year earlier after a man murdered his wife and three kids when
Obama made those comments. The country was also in the midst of a spike in
gun crime at the time.

Hillary Clinton also expressed support for Australia's mandatory buyback
system during her 2016 campaign before a spokesperson quickly walked it
back. Most recently Democratic representative Eric Swalwell (Calif.) penned
an op-ed calling for a gun confiscation scheme similar to Australia's in the
United States.

Gun murder after Australia's ban decreased at nearly the same rate as in the
United States, which did not institute a gun ban, and other violent crimes
saw an increase. The effectiveness of the country's gun ban remains a heated
debate as does the idea that the United States should adopt a similar gun
ban.

Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
T
2018-05-12 19:36:37 UTC
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What happening to the tough gun laws...
7 Killed in Australian Mass Shooting
Seven people were killed in a shooting in Western Australia on Friday.
Someone in Osmington, Australia, a small village near the town of Margaret
River, murdered seven members of the same family. Police responded to a call
about the shooting around dawn. They found three generations of the same
family killed and recovered two firearms from the scene.
"Police are currently responding to what I can only describe as a horrific
incident," Western Australia state police commissioner Chris Dawson told the
Associated Press. "This devastating tragedy will no doubt have a lasting
impact on the families concerned, the whole community and, in particular,
the local communities in our southwest."
The police said that four children and three adults were among those
murdered.
"It appears that gunshot wounds are there, but I don't want to go further
than that," Dawson told the BBC. "The loss of any life is tragic, but four
children and three adults-this is a significant tragedy."
Australia effectively banned the ownership of most firearms for most people
in the wake of a 1996 shooting in Port Arthur. The ban was enforced through
a gun confiscation scheme that included a mandatory buyback program.
The country's gun ban has been hailed by many gun-control activists in the
United States and around the world as a template for preventing mass
shootings and gun violence. Former President Barack Obama praised the gun
ban in 2015 while bemoaning the fact that he hadn't been able to pass the
gun-control policies he had wanted to at that point in his presidency.
"When Australia had a mass killing-I think it was in Tasmania-about 25 years
ago, it was just so shocking the entire country said, 'Well, we're going to
completely change our gun laws,' and they did," he told comedian Marc Maron
during a podcast taping. "And it hasn't happened since."
The country had just seen a mass shooting-where four or more people were
murdered-a year earlier after a man murdered his wife and three kids when
Obama made those comments. The country was also in the midst of a spike in
gun crime at the time.
Hillary Clinton also expressed support for Australia's mandatory buyback
system during her 2016 campaign before a spokesperson quickly walked it
back. Most recently Democratic representative Eric Swalwell (Calif.) penned
an op-ed calling for a gun confiscation scheme similar to Australia's in the
United States.
Gun murder after Australia's ban decreased at nearly the same rate as in the
United States, which did not institute a gun ban, and other violent crimes
saw an increase. The effectiveness of the country's gun ban remains a heated
debate as does the idea that the United States should adopt a similar gun
ban.
Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
Oh? I thought gun control fixed all that? Huh?
Oren
2018-05-12 21:26:56 UTC
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Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
Oh? I thought gun control fixed all that? Huh?
Give me a break! Gun buy backs will never work in America. 'Course I
could set up a table so folks won't have to stand in line -- cash
money talks, bullshit walks.
rbowman
2018-05-13 03:08:34 UTC
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Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
Oh? I thought gun control fixed all that? Huh?
Give me a break! Gun buy backs will never work in America. 'Course I
could set up a table so folks won't have to stand in line -- cash
money talks, bullshit walks.
You'll get quite a collection. Raven .25s, Dick Specials with broken
mainsprings, Rusty Webleys with the timing so screwed up that none of
the cylinders ever line up with the barrel, Gramps 12 gauge that got a
little bulgy after the old codger dropped a 20 gauge shell down the bore
before he loaded the 3" 12.... It will be just like the local Hazmat
Days when everybody drags their dubious shit down to the dump.
Uncle Monster
2018-05-13 03:18:07 UTC
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Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
Oh? I thought gun control fixed all that? Huh?
Give me a break! Gun buy backs will never work in America. 'Course I
could set up a table so folks won't have to stand in line -- cash
money talks, bullshit walks.
You'll get quite a collection. Raven .25s, Dick Specials with broken
mainsprings, Rusty Webleys with the timing so screwed up that none of
the cylinders ever line up with the barrel, Gramps 12 gauge that got a
little bulgy after the old codger dropped a 20 gauge shell down the bore
before he loaded the 3" 12.... It will be just like the local Hazmat
Days when everybody drags their dubious shit down to the dump.
I think someone could make a lot of money producing pot metal guns meant to be turned in to gun buyback programs. There was a gun buyback program I remember reading about some years ago that was paying $100.00 per firearm no matter what the condition they were in. A bunch of enterprising fellows were going to pawn shops and buying up all the cheap guns so they could turn them in for a hundred dollars each. They made a killing(no pun). ^_^

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Tekkie®
2018-05-14 18:51:44 UTC
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rbowman posted for all of us...
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Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
Oh? I thought gun control fixed all that? Huh?
Give me a break! Gun buy backs will never work in America. 'Course I
could set up a table so folks won't have to stand in line -- cash
money talks, bullshit walks.
You'll get quite a collection. Raven .25s, Dick Specials with broken
mainsprings, Rusty Webleys with the timing so screwed up that none of
the cylinders ever line up with the barrel, Gramps 12 gauge that got a
little bulgy after the old codger dropped a 20 gauge shell down the bore
before he loaded the 3" 12.... It will be just like the local Hazmat
Days when everybody drags their dubious shit down to the dump.
Chuckle...
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trader_4
2018-05-13 03:05:46 UTC
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7 Killed in Australian Mass Shooting
Seven people were killed in a shooting in Western Australia on Friday.
Someone in Osmington, Australia, a small village near the town of Margaret
River, murdered seven members of the same family. Police responded to a call
about the shooting around dawn. They found three generations of the same
family killed and recovered two firearms from the scene.
"Police are currently responding to what I can only describe as a horrific
incident," Western Australia state police commissioner Chris Dawson told the
Associated Press. "This devastating tragedy will no doubt have a lasting
impact on the families concerned, the whole community and, in particular,
the local communities in our southwest."
The police said that four children and three adults were among those
murdered.
"It appears that gunshot wounds are there, but I don't want to go further
than that," Dawson told the BBC. "The loss of any life is tragic, but four
children and three adults-this is a significant tragedy."
Australia effectively banned the ownership of most firearms for most people
in the wake of a 1996 shooting in Port Arthur. The ban was enforced through
a gun confiscation scheme that included a mandatory buyback program.
The country's gun ban has been hailed by many gun-control activists in the
United States and around the world as a template for preventing mass
shootings and gun violence. Former President Barack Obama praised the gun
ban in 2015 while bemoaning the fact that he hadn't been able to pass the
gun-control policies he had wanted to at that point in his presidency.
"When Australia had a mass killing-I think it was in Tasmania-about 25 years
ago, it was just so shocking the entire country said, 'Well, we're going to
completely change our gun laws,' and they did," he told comedian Marc Maron
during a podcast taping. "And it hasn't happened since."
The country had just seen a mass shooting-where four or more people were
murdered-a year earlier after a man murdered his wife and three kids when
Obama made those comments. The country was also in the midst of a spike in
gun crime at the time.
Hillary Clinton also expressed support for Australia's mandatory buyback
system during her 2016 campaign before a spokesperson quickly walked it
back. Most recently Democratic representative Eric Swalwell (Calif.) penned
an op-ed calling for a gun confiscation scheme similar to Australia's in the
United States.
Gun murder after Australia's ban decreased at nearly the same rate as in the
United States, which did not institute a gun ban, and other violent crimes
saw an increase. The effectiveness of the country's gun ban remains a heated
debate as does the idea that the United States should adopt a similar gun
ban.
Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
Oh? I thought gun control fixed all that? Huh?
Obviously you didn't bother to read it or are shystering again. That incident of 7 dead was Australia's worst mass shooting in 22 years. In the US we have that and worse every few months and if you look at total numbers, in just the last few years we've had many incidents that are multiples of that, 58 just in Las Vegas for example.
Uncle Monster
2018-05-13 03:11:07 UTC
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What happening to the tough gun laws...
7 Killed in Australian Mass Shooting
Seven people were killed in a shooting in Western Australia on Friday.
Someone in Osmington, Australia, a small village near the town of Margaret
River, murdered seven members of the same family. Police responded to a call
about the shooting around dawn. They found three generations of the same
family killed and recovered two firearms from the scene.
"Police are currently responding to what I can only describe as a horrific
incident," Western Australia state police commissioner Chris Dawson told the
Associated Press. "This devastating tragedy will no doubt have a lasting
impact on the families concerned, the whole community and, in particular,
the local communities in our southwest."
The police said that four children and three adults were among those
murdered.
"It appears that gunshot wounds are there, but I don't want to go further
than that," Dawson told the BBC. "The loss of any life is tragic, but four
children and three adults-this is a significant tragedy."
Australia effectively banned the ownership of most firearms for most people
in the wake of a 1996 shooting in Port Arthur. The ban was enforced through
a gun confiscation scheme that included a mandatory buyback program.
The country's gun ban has been hailed by many gun-control activists in the
United States and around the world as a template for preventing mass
shootings and gun violence. Former President Barack Obama praised the gun
ban in 2015 while bemoaning the fact that he hadn't been able to pass the
gun-control policies he had wanted to at that point in his presidency.
"When Australia had a mass killing-I think it was in Tasmania-about 25 years
ago, it was just so shocking the entire country said, 'Well, we're going to
completely change our gun laws,' and they did," he told comedian Marc Maron
during a podcast taping. "And it hasn't happened since."
The country had just seen a mass shooting-where four or more people were
murdered-a year earlier after a man murdered his wife and three kids when
Obama made those comments. The country was also in the midst of a spike in
gun crime at the time.
Hillary Clinton also expressed support for Australia's mandatory buyback
system during her 2016 campaign before a spokesperson quickly walked it
back. Most recently Democratic representative Eric Swalwell (Calif.) penned
an op-ed calling for a gun confiscation scheme similar to Australia's in the
United States.
Gun murder after Australia's ban decreased at nearly the same rate as in the
United States, which did not institute a gun ban, and other violent crimes
saw an increase. The effectiveness of the country's gun ban remains a heated
debate as does the idea that the United States should adopt a similar gun
ban.
Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
Oh? I thought gun control fixed all that? Huh?
Obviously you didn't bother to read it or are shystering again. That incident of 7 dead was Australia's worst mass shooting in 22 years. In the US we have that and worse every few months and if you look at total numbers, in just the last few years we've had many incidents that are multiples of that, 58 just in Las Vegas for example.
Traitor_4ever, get your butt to Washington D.C. right now, kick Donald Trump out of The White House, become a dictator and confiscate all the guns from the citizenry so we'll all be safe! Save us Traitor_4ever! Save us! o_O

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FMurtz
2018-05-13 09:08:00 UTC
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What happening to the tough gun laws...
7 Killed in Australian Mass Shooting
Seven people were killed in a shooting in Western Australia on Friday.
Someone in Osmington, Australia, a small village near the town of Margaret
River, murdered seven members of the same family. Police responded to a call
about the shooting around dawn. They found three generations of the same
family killed and recovered two firearms from the scene.
"Police are currently responding to what I can only describe as a horrific
incident," Western Australia state police commissioner Chris Dawson told the
Associated Press. "This devastating tragedy will no doubt have a lasting
impact on the families concerned, the whole community and, in particular,
the local communities in our southwest."
The police said that four children and three adults were among those
murdered.
"It appears that gunshot wounds are there, but I don't want to go further
than that," Dawson told the BBC. "The loss of any life is tragic, but four
children and three adults-this is a significant tragedy."
Australia effectively banned the ownership of most firearms for most people
in the wake of a 1996 shooting in Port Arthur. The ban was enforced through
a gun confiscation scheme that included a mandatory buyback program.
The country's gun ban has been hailed by many gun-control activists in the
United States and around the world as a template for preventing mass
shootings and gun violence. Former President Barack Obama praised the gun
ban in 2015 while bemoaning the fact that he hadn't been able to pass the
gun-control policies he had wanted to at that point in his presidency.
"When Australia had a mass killing-I think it was in Tasmania-about 25 years
ago, it was just so shocking the entire country said, 'Well, we're going to
completely change our gun laws,' and they did," he told comedian Marc Maron
during a podcast taping. "And it hasn't happened since."
The country had just seen a mass shooting-where four or more people were
murdered-a year earlier after a man murdered his wife and three kids when
Obama made those comments. The country was also in the midst of a spike in
gun crime at the time.
Hillary Clinton also expressed support for Australia's mandatory buyback
system during her 2016 campaign before a spokesperson quickly walked it
back. Most recently Democratic representative Eric Swalwell (Calif.) penned
an op-ed calling for a gun confiscation scheme similar to Australia's in the
United States.
Gun murder after Australia's ban decreased at nearly the same rate as in the
United States, which did not institute a gun ban, and other violent crimes
saw an increase. The effectiveness of the country's gun ban remains a heated
debate as does the idea that the United States should adopt a similar gun
ban.
Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
not speculate on the motives for the killings.
Oh?  I thought gun control fixed all that?  Huh?
I hope it stops the incessant "THERE HAS BEEN NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
THE BUYBACK" waffle.
T
2018-05-13 20:03:20 UTC
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I hope it stops the incessant "THERE HAS BEEN NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
THE BUYBACK" waffle.
Humans can be expected to act like humans wherever
the live. In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings
are in gun free zones. If you act like sheep, the
wolves will come. Statistics clearly show the more
guns the less crime.

Here is more data than you ever wanted to know:
https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
Terry Coombs
2018-05-13 20:24:19 UTC
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  If you act like sheep, the
wolves will come.
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  I'm stealing that line for my sig . Is it originally yours ?
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T
2018-05-13 23:21:06 UTC
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  If you act like sheep, the
wolves will come.
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  I'm stealing that line for my sig . Is it originally yours ?
It is all over the place. And get attributed to
nearly everyone
trader_4
2018-05-13 23:18:35 UTC
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I hope it stops the incessant "THERE HAS BEEN NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
THE BUYBACK" waffle.
Humans can be expected to act like humans wherever
the live. In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings
are in gun free zones.
That of course is just another Mr. T lie. Some recent examples of mass shootings
that were not in gun free zones:

Ft Hood Army Base, 13 dead
Washington Navy Yard, 12 dead
Dallas Police Shootings, 6 dead
Sutherland Springs TX Church, 25 dead



If you act like sheep, the
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wolves will come.
Which ignores that most of these mass shooters clearly didn't care if
they lived or died, many were suicidal. And it ignores that the specific
place targeted most often is because the shooter had some direct association
with that place, eg it was where they worked, went to school, etc. They
didn't pick it because it was or wasn't gun free, they picked it because
they wanted to make a statement.




Statistics clearly show the more
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guns the less crime.
That takes balls. Australia just had a shooting where 7 people died
in a murder suicide of one family. That includes the shooter.
IT WAS THEIR WORST MASS SHOOTING IN
22 YEARS! We have had how many over that period? We're now having
incidents worse than that, with more than six victims, several times a YEAR.
We are having incidents where eight times that are killed in just one
shooting.

Of course Mr. T claims he competes in the arena of ideas, but of course
when the facts show him to be a liar, then he runs and hides.
g***@aol.com
2018-05-14 01:45:31 UTC
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Post by FMurtz
I hope it stops the incessant "THERE HAS BEEN NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
THE BUYBACK" waffle.
Humans can be expected to act like humans wherever
the live. In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings
are in gun free zones.
That of course is just another Mr. T lie. Some recent examples of mass shootings
Ft Hood Army Base, 13 dead
The only people with guns are the cops (MPs)
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Washington Navy Yard, 12 dead
The only people with guns are the cops

Since 911 it is illegal to bring a gun onto a military base
Post by trader_4
Dallas Police Shootings, 6 dead
A hit and run ambush where there was not much chance to shoot back.
Post by trader_4
Sutherland Springs TX Church, 25 dead
Shot by a good guy with a gun.
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Statistics clearly show the more
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guns the less crime.
That takes balls.
I guess you did not scroll through the link he provided.
Bob F
2018-05-14 03:59:21 UTC
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On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:18:35 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
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Post by T
Post by FMurtz
I hope it stops the incessant "THERE HAS BEEN NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
THE BUYBACK" waffle.
Humans can be expected to act like humans wherever
the live. In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings
are in gun free zones.
That of course is just another Mr. T lie. Some recent examples of mass shootings
Ft Hood Army Base, 13 dead
The only people with guns are the cops (MPs)
Post by trader_4
Washington Navy Yard, 12 dead
The only people with guns are the cops
Since 911 it is illegal to bring a gun onto a military base
Post by trader_4
Dallas Police Shootings, 6 dead
A hit and run ambush where there was not much chance to shoot back.
Post by trader_4
Sutherland Springs TX Church, 25 dead
Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
T
2018-05-14 05:46:26 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him. He wasn't done by any means.

Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them. There is not such thing
as utopia
Bod
2018-05-14 05:54:25 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?

*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun control
laws were introduced*

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
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Uncle Monster
2018-05-14 06:01:43 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun control
laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
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Bod
Ya know, if automobiles were banned, that would stop drunk driving and automobile accidents. Think of all the lives that would be saved. ^_^

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Bod
2018-05-14 06:20:28 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun control
laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
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Bod
Ya know, if automobiles were banned, that would stop drunk driving and automobile accidents. Think of all the lives that would be saved. ^_^
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What are you talking about?
Goal post change alert!!!
Australia hasn't banned guns, they just strictly control them. The same
is true in the UK.
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T
2018-05-14 06:22:11 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun control
laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
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Bod
Ya know, if automobiles were banned, that would stop drunk driving and
automobile accidents. Think of all the lives that would be saved. ^_^
Fool! Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone up
in your shithole since you banned guns. Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
Bod
2018-05-14 06:38:46 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun control
laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
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Bod
Ya know, if automobiles were banned, that would stop drunk driving
and automobile accidents. Think of all the lives that would be saved.
^_^
Fool!  Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone  up
in your shithole since you banned guns.  Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
What a pleasant Christian you are. Does your religion teach you to
insult other people or is it just you personally?
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Bod
T
2018-05-14 19:03:42 UTC
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Fool!  Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone  up
in your shithole since you banned guns.  Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
What a pleasant Christian you are. Does your religion teach you to
insult other people or is it just you personally?
Would you rather me use 100 words to pussy foot around calling
you a fool or would you rather me come right out and say it?
T
2018-05-14 19:07:52 UTC
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Fool!  Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone  up
in your shithole since you banned guns.  Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
What a pleasant Christian you are. Does your religion teach you to
insult other people or is it just you personally?
This is ripe coming from the guys who trolls, call other racists,
post hate about Christians and on and on and so forth
Dove Tail
2018-05-14 19:37:21 UTC
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Fool!  Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone  up
in your shithole since you banned guns.  Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
What a pleasant Christian you are. Does your religion teach you to
insult other people or is it just you personally?
This is ripe coming from the guys who trolls, call other racists,
post hate about Christians and on and on and so forth
Bod, apparently you struck a nerve, Boris replied twice to your post. I
wager he doesn't even recognize his own hypocrisy.

Something wrong with that boy.
Bod
2018-05-15 05:33:31 UTC
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Fool!  Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone  up
in your shithole since you banned guns.  Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
What a pleasant Christian you are. Does your religion teach you to
insult other people or is it just you personally?
This is ripe coming from the guys who trolls, call other racists,
post hate about Christians and on and on and so forth
Bod, apparently you struck a nerve, Boris replied twice to your post. I
wager he doesn't even recognize his own hypocrisy.
Something wrong with that boy.
Yes, I noticed the hypocrisy.
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Uncle Monster
2018-05-15 05:48:50 UTC
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Fool!  Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone  up
in your shithole since you banned guns.  Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
What a pleasant Christian you are. Does your religion teach you to
insult other people or is it just you personally?
This is ripe coming from the guys who trolls, call other racists,
post hate about Christians and on and on and so forth
Bod, apparently you struck a nerve, Boris replied twice to your post. I
wager he doesn't even recognize his own hypocrisy.
Something wrong with that boy.
Yes, I noticed the hypocrisy.
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You're responding to a dove anus. There is definitely something wrong with you. <snicker> ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Observant Monster
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun control
laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
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Bod
Ya know, if automobiles were banned, that would stop drunk driving
and automobile accidents. Think of all the lives that would be saved.
^_^
Fool!  Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone  up
in your shithole since you banned guns.  Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
Is this how you Christians violently baptise your babies?

*It says that this way is a tradition*

'Bishop accused of carrying out ‘most violent baptism ever’ as he dunks
baby'

"Despite it being tradition and performed in a similar way elsewhere
people have reacted with anger"


http://metro.co.uk/2018/05/14/bishop-accused-carrying-violent-baptism-ever-dunks-baby-7543319/#mv-a?ito=cbshare
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Bod
T
2018-05-14 19:06:44 UTC
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Fool!  Homicides and gun related homicides have all gone  up
in your shithole since you banned guns.  Oh, strictly regulated
them, amounting to an near outright ban.
Is this how you Christians violently baptise your babies?
*It says that this way is a tradition*
'Bishop accused of carrying out ‘most violent baptism ever’ as he dunks
baby'
"Despite it being tradition and performed in a similar way elsewhere
people have reacted with anger"
http://metro.co.uk/2018/05/14/bishop-accused-carrying-violent-baptism-ever-dunks-baby-7543319/#mv-a?ito=cbshare
I would send you a link on how baptism is actually preformed
but that in not what you are after. You are after repeating
garbage from sources that hate Christians.

And by the way, speaking of your religoun, plucking
the arms and legs off of helpless children is a form
of human sacrifice. It is beyond disgusting.
T
2018-05-14 06:16:34 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun control
laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
Idiot. Look at your own country. Homicides and
homicides from gun all went up after your banned
guns. Fool!
T
2018-05-14 06:20:28 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun
control laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
Idiot.  Look at your own country.  Homicides and
homicides from gun all went up after your banned
guns.  Fool!
In case you missed it:


Here is a graph and below is the source data.
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-T


[53] Report: “Home Office: Handgun Surrender and Compensation.” House of
Commons, Committee of Public Accounts, June 21, 1999.
<www.publications.parliament.uk>

6. Over 162,000 handguns and 700 tonnes* of ammunition were compulsorily
surrendered to local police stations between July 1997 and February
1998. The surrender was the main measure in response to the tragic
events of 13 March 1996, when Thomas Hamilton walked into Dunblane
Primary School armed with four handguns and 743 rounds of ammunition and
shot dead 16 children and their teacher, and wounded 10 other children
and three other teachers. Under the first Firearms (Amendment) Act of
1997 large-calibre handguns became prohibited from 1 July 1997, with
owners having until 30 September 1997 to dispose of them lawfully, and
small-calibre handguns became prohibited from 1 February 1998, with
disposal by 28 February 1998.

7. As a first step in managing the surrender and compensation schemes,
the Home Office and the police needed to contact handgun owners and
dealers to ensure that they were aware of the terms of the prohibition
and surrender. The Home Office provided booklets for the police to
distribute to handgun owners and dealers, explaining the requirements of
the legislation and the terms of the compensation. …

13. The Home Office could not provide absolute assurance that no
handguns had been unlawfully retained, but was reasonably satisfied that
individual police forces had ensured that prohibited handguns in their
area had either been surrendered or otherwise lawfully disposed of. The
Home Office assured us that individual forces had accurate records of
firearms held on firearms certificates. They had used these to follow up
firearms which were to be surrendered under the terms of the Acts, and
had made adequate checks on handguns claimed to have been otherwise
lawfully disposed of, for example by owners sending them abroad. Sixteen
of the 26 police forces the National Audit Office visited considered
that they had satisfied themselves that all relevant handguns had been
traced and those prohibited surrendered. The remaining ten had been
unable to account for the handguns held by a total of 35 owners by the
end of the surrender period, although by September 1998 over
three-quarters of these cases had been resolved. …

15. The intention of the prohibition under the 1997 firearms legislation
was to remove handguns from civilian ownership, and thereby also from
the risk of being used in crime.

NOTE: * 700 metric tons equal 1.5 million pounds.

CALCULATION: 35 unaccounted for handguns – (3/4 × 35 handguns recovered
by September 1998) = 8.75 remaining guns
Bod
2018-05-14 06:26:42 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun
control laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
Idiot.  Look at your own country.  Homicides and
homicides from gun all went up after your banned
guns.  Fool!
Here is a graph and below is the source data.
https://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england-full.png
-T
It would be nice if you got your facts right.
Guns are *not* banned in the UK. Only handguns are banned.
2 million UK citizens own shotguns.
T
2018-05-14 19:53:31 UTC
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Post by Bod
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun
control laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
Idiot.  Look at your own country.  Homicides and
homicides from gun all went up after your banned
guns.  Fool!
Here is a graph and below is the source data.
https://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england-full.png
-T
It would be nice if you got your facts right.
Guns are *not* banned in the UK. Only handguns are banned.
2 million UK citizens own shotguns.
What a dumb point.

Handguns are guns and they are the primary self defense
weapon.

Tell me? Where can I go to buy an AR15 in Limeyland?
g***@aol.com
2018-05-14 13:22:40 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him.  He wasn't done by any means.
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them.  There is not such thing
as utopia
Really!?
*How murder and suicide figures plummeted in Australia after gun control
laws were introduced*
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/las-vegas-shooting-australia-gun-laws-control-stephen-paddock-2nd-amendment-nevada-firearm-a7980671.html
The murder rate was going down before the ban and continued on the
same slope after. Mass shootings were an anomaly as they are here and
they became more rare but murder overall was not affected that much.
trader_4
2018-05-14 13:37:15 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him. He wasn't done by any means.
It wasn't a gun free zone. It was TX and the church had no policy
prohibiting guns.
Post by T
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them. There is not such thing
as utopia
The well armed militia is the National Guard. Funny too if what
your claim is true that the
UK, Australia, have drastically lower numbers of shootings than
the USA. Simple fact is most of these shooters are either fanatical
or deranged, most are suicidal, they really either don't care what
happens to them or whether they live or die.
g***@aol.com
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him. He wasn't done by any means.
It wasn't a gun free zone. It was TX and the church had no policy
prohibiting guns.
Post by T
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them. There is not such thing
as utopia
The well armed militia is the National Guard. Funny too if what
your claim is true that the
UK, Australia, have drastically lower numbers of shootings than
the USA. Simple fact is most of these shooters are either fanatical
or deranged, most are suicidal, they really either don't care what
happens to them or whether they live or die.
You have to admit you did cherry pick 4 incidents.
trader_4
2018-05-14 16:29:48 UTC
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Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the mass shooting was over.
He was chasing the sheep from the gun free zone
into the parking lot when the good guys opened
up on him. He wasn't done by any means.
It wasn't a gun free zone. It was TX and the church had no policy
prohibiting guns.
Post by T
Having a well armed militia does not stop all shootings,
it just vastly reduces them. There is not such thing
as utopia
The well armed militia is the National Guard. Funny too if what
your claim is true that the
UK, Australia, have drastically lower numbers of shootings than
the USA. Simple fact is most of these shooters are either fanatical
or deranged, most are suicidal, they really either don't care what
happens to them or whether they live or die.
You have to admit you did cherry pick 4 incidents.
I didn't cherry pick, I simply proved the direct proof from just recent
years that what Mr. T posted wasn't true:

In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings are in gun free zones.
g***@aol.com
2018-05-15 00:46:32 UTC
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You have to admit you did cherry pick 4 incidents.
I didn't cherry pick, I simply proved the direct proof from just recent
In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings are in gun free zones.
I agree that was not true if you just mean the victims are unarmed.
Most "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun crowd (3 maybe 4 or
more people shot in one place) will be happening on drug corners or
stash houses where everybody is armed but they are not single shooter
events.
OTOH you could call them "gun free zones" because usually nobody there
is legally allowed to have a gun.
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You have to admit you did cherry pick 4 incidents.
I didn't cherry pick, I simply proved the direct proof from just recent
In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings are in gun free zones.
I agree that was not true if you just mean the victims are unarmed.
Most "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun crowd (3 maybe 4 or
more people shot in one place) will be happening on drug corners or
stash houses where everybody is armed but they are not single shooter
events.
OTOH you could call them "gun free zones" because usually nobody there
is legally allowed to have a gun.
YOU can call them anything you want. That doesn't make it so.
g***@aol.com
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You have to admit you did cherry pick 4 incidents.
I didn't cherry pick, I simply proved the direct proof from just recent
In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings are in gun free zones.
I agree that was not true if you just mean the victims are unarmed.
Most "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun crowd (3 maybe 4 or
more people shot in one place) will be happening on drug corners or
stash houses where everybody is armed but they are not single shooter
events.
OTOH you could call them "gun free zones" because usually nobody there
is legally allowed to have a gun.
YOU can call them anything you want. That doesn't make it so.
When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it what
it is. People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns. If "drug control" is not
working in the community, how do you think drug control will work.
trader_4
2018-05-16 15:20:41 UTC
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You have to admit you did cherry pick 4 incidents.
I didn't cherry pick, I simply proved the direct proof from just recent
In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings are in gun free zones.
I agree that was not true if you just mean the victims are unarmed.
Most "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun crowd (3 maybe 4 or
more people shot in one place) will be happening on drug corners or
stash houses where everybody is armed but they are not single shooter
events.
OTOH you could call them "gun free zones" because usually nobody there
is legally allowed to have a gun.
YOU can call them anything you want. That doesn't make it so.
When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it what
it is. People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns.
And now the myth that it's just one bad guy shooting another. A whole lot of
innocent men, women and children are hit and killed in those shootings too.
Cops get shot too. But heh, I guess you don't care about mostly minority
innocents that are shot, wounded and killed sitting on their porch or
walking to school.
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Post by trader_4
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You have to admit you did cherry pick 4 incidents.
I didn't cherry pick, I simply proved the direct proof from just recent
In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings are in gun free zones.
I agree that was not true if you just mean the victims are unarmed.
Most "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun crowd (3 maybe 4 or
more people shot in one place) will be happening on drug corners or
stash houses where everybody is armed but they are not single shooter
events.
OTOH you could call them "gun free zones" because usually nobody there
is legally allowed to have a gun.
YOU can call them anything you want. That doesn't make it so.
When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it what
it is. People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns.
And now the myth that it's just one bad guy shooting another. A whole lot of
innocent men, women and children are hit and killed in those shootings too.
Cops get shot too. But heh, I guess you don't care about mostly minority
innocents that are shot, wounded and killed sitting on their porch or
walking to school.
I am not the one who came up with the statistics about how many mass
shootings that have been reported this year and how they got to that
number.
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When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it what
it is.
The anti-gun lobby definition? Care to share a citation on that?

Majority of mass shootings, turf wars, drug gangs? How about a
citation to those statistics?
Post by g***@aol.com
People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns. If "drug control" is not
working in the community, how do you think drug control will work.
People no one cares about? That is not only irrelevant but pure
hyperbole.

Drug control isn't working? Let's see your evidence that the drug
problem wouldn't be much worse if there were no control of drugs?
trader_4
2018-05-16 16:33:04 UTC
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When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it what
it is.
The anti-gun lobby definition? Care to share a citation on that?
Majority of mass shootings, turf wars, drug gangs? How about a
citation to those statistics?
Post by g***@aol.com
People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns. If "drug control" is not
working in the community, how do you think drug control will work.
People no one cares about? That is not only irrelevant but pure
hyperbole.
Drug control isn't working? Let's see your evidence that the drug
problem wouldn't be much worse if there were no control of drugs?
He's speaking about the violence associated with drugs. That violence
is mostly driven by the fact that drugs are illegal and expensive.
If drugs were legal, you would not
have the drug turf wars, shootings during drug deals and the like,
because you could simply buy drugs cheaply and legally. Prohibition
is the case study.
Bod
2018-05-16 16:33:55 UTC
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When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it what
it is.
The anti-gun lobby definition? Care to share a citation on that?
Majority of mass shootings, turf wars, drug gangs? How about a
citation to those statistics?
Post by g***@aol.com
People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns. If "drug control" is not
working in the community, how do you think drug control will work.
People no one cares about? That is not only irrelevant but pure
hyperbole.
Drug control isn't working? Let's see your evidence that the drug
problem wouldn't be much worse if there were no control of drugs?
He's speaking about the violence associated with drugs. That violence
is mostly driven by the fact that drugs are illegal and expensive.
If drugs were legal, you would not
have the drug turf wars, shootings during drug deals and the like,
because you could simply buy drugs cheaply and legally. Prohibition
is the case study.
+1
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When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it what
it is.
The anti-gun lobby definition? Care to share a citation on that?
Politifact.com
"Pelosi’s tally of 273 mass shootings relies on the broad definition
of at least four or more people killed or injured. Some of these
events, however, include gang shootings or home invasion robberies,
stretching the definition even further."
Post by Dove Tail
Majority of mass shootings, turf wars, drug gangs? How about a
citation to those statistics?
You have to go to the reports and read them.
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Post by g***@aol.com
People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns. If "drug control" is not
working in the community, how do you think drug control will work.
People no one cares about? That is not only irrelevant but pure
hyperbole.
There have been 105 murders in Baltimore this year and 173 in Chicago.
We just hear the statistic, nobody seems to give a shit WHO died and
we are not ringing a bell for each of them in a tearful ceremony.
Have you heard anything about a single victim on the national news?
Post by Dove Tail
Drug control isn't working? Let's see your evidence that the drug
problem wouldn't be much worse if there were no control of drugs?
The most abused drug in the country right now is prescription opoids
and that is very strictly controlled. How much worse could it get?
You certainly can't tell me anyone who wants drugs can't get them.

Do you think the same kind of gun control would work any better? The
only difference is it would only be the criminals who had control of
the gun business, just like the heroin business.
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2018-05-17 14:35:20 UTC
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When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it
what >> it is.
Post by Dove Tail
The anti-gun lobby definition? Care to share a citation on that?
Politifact.com
"Pelosi’s tally of 273 mass shootings relies on the broad definition
of at least four or more people killed or injured. Some of these
events, however, include gang shootings or home invasion robberies,
stretching the definition even further."
Fretwell, you said the definition came from the "anti-gun lobby", your
reply did not address my question.

The definition(s) came from congress and the FBI.

"In the wake of tragedy in Newtown CT, Congress defined “mass killings”
as “3 or more killings in a single incident” (P.L. 112-265).

According to the FBI, the term “mass murder” has been defined generally
as a multiple homicide incident in which four or more victims are
murdered, within one event, and in one or more locations in close
geographical proximity."


https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44126.pdf
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Majority of mass shootings, turf wars, drug gangs? How about a
citation to those statistics?
You have to go to the reports and read them.
"The reports"?? Which reports Fretwell? Specifically?
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by Dove Tail
Post by g***@aol.com
People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns. If "drug control" is
not >> working in the community, how do you think drug control will
work.
Post by Dove Tail
People no one cares about? That is not only irrelevant but pure
hyperbole.
There have been 105 murders in Baltimore this year and 173 in Chicago.
We just hear the statistic, nobody seems to give a shit WHO died and
we are not ringing a bell for each of them in a tearful ceremony.
Have you heard anything about a single victim on the national news
Ahh, the national news is your metric for emotions? Ridiculous.
Post by g***@aol.com
Do you think the same kind of gun control would work any better? The
only difference is it would only be the criminals who had control of
the gun business, just like the heroin business.
You are drawing false equivelancies, as usual. If it were illegal to
manufacture, import and distribute certain types of civilian weapons in
the USA, it would become far more difficult for people to obtain those
weapons.

(Maybe you believe clandestine, underground machine shops could produce
the quantities and quality of weapons and distribute them to the
addicted gunstrokers, all without attracting attention. LOL!)

Combine that with a ban on the manufacture and sale of ammunition and
components, then over a period of time, most weapons still in
circulation would be rendered basically inert. Go one last step and
criminalize the possession, transfer, bequeathment and or sale of those
weapons and, within a couple of generations, we would dramatically
reduce the number of firearms in circulation.

It's all just a matter of time. The more mass shootings, the closer we
get to ending the insanity caused by gunstrokers.
Tekkie®
2018-05-18 18:26:29 UTC
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On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:22:44 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
Post by Dove Tail
Post by g***@aol.com
When the majority of "mass shootings" as defined by the anti gun
lobby, involves turf wars between drug gangs you should call it what
it is.
The anti-gun lobby definition? Care to share a citation on that?
Politifact.com
"Pelosi?s tally of 273 mass shootings relies on the broad definition
of at least four or more people killed or injured. Some of these
events, however, include gang shootings or home invasion robberies,
stretching the definition even further."
Post by Dove Tail
Majority of mass shootings, turf wars, drug gangs? How about a
citation to those statistics?
You have to go to the reports and read them.
Post by Dove Tail
Post by g***@aol.com
People nobody cares about shooting people nobody cares about
using illegally obtained and possessed guns. If "drug control" is not
working in the community, how do you think drug control will work.
People no one cares about? That is not only irrelevant but pure
hyperbole.
There have been 105 murders in Baltimore this year and 173 in Chicago.
We just hear the statistic, nobody seems to give a shit WHO died and
we are not ringing a bell for each of them in a tearful ceremony.
Have you heard anything about a single victim on the national news?
Post by Dove Tail
Drug control isn't working? Let's see your evidence that the drug
problem wouldn't be much worse if there were no control of drugs?
The most abused drug in the country right now is prescription opoids
and that is very strictly controlled. How much worse could it get?
You certainly can't tell me anyone who wants drugs can't get them.
Do you think the same kind of gun control would work any better? The
only difference is it would only be the criminals who had control of
the gun business, just like the heroin business.
BINGO!
--
Tekkie
Oren
2018-05-18 19:47:38 UTC
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Do you think the same kind of gun control would work any better? The
only difference is it would only be the criminals who had control of
the gun business, just like the heroin business.
BINGO!
Try to take or control my gun I will be a criminal.

Spit!

trader_4
2018-05-14 13:20:13 UTC
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On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:18:35 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
Post by trader_4
Post by T
Post by FMurtz
I hope it stops the incessant "THERE HAS BEEN NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
THE BUYBACK" waffle.
Humans can be expected to act like humans wherever
the live. In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings
are in gun free zones.
That of course is just another Mr. T lie. Some recent examples of mass shootings
Ft Hood Army Base, 13 dead
The only people with guns are the cops (MPs)
Post by trader_4
Washington Navy Yard, 12 dead
The only people with guns are the cops
The gun nut argument that Mr. T was trying to sell was that
mass shootings only happen in settings where there are no armed people
readily available to respond. Here's what happened at the Washington
Navy Yard, from Wiki:

"While on the first floor, the shooter moved around randomly before turning around and heading towards the front entrance. There, he fired at Richard Ridgell, the security officer stationed there, through a set of windows, killing him and taking his Beretta 92FS 9mm semiautomatic pistol afterwards. Ridgell, a former Maryland state trooper, had earlier been informed by two police officers to remain at his post and try to stop the gunman if he attempted to leave the building.[2][5][4][9][13][14][15] The shooter then fired his shotgun at a second security guard and a Navy military police officer at the first-floor atrium, missing both; the security guard fired back and the shooter fled down a hallway. Shortly afterwards, the shooter fired at two police officers and a Naval Criminal Investigative Service agent in another hallway before fleeing again.[9]"


There were 6 armed, trained professionals that the shooter encountered in the opening
minutes of his attack. Most were beyond even an armed security guard, they
were police and NCIS! That isn't a soft, unarmed target, not by any
stretch of the imagination. But Mr. T and now apparently you, would have
us believe if instead you or Mr. T had been there, you would have stopped
the whole thing like some Hollywood movie hero. Give us a break.
Post by g***@aol.com
Since 911 it is illegal to bring a gun onto a military base
As cited, military bases are typically armed and defended, as cited
in the actual case above. You can't have it both ways. On the one
hand, the gun nuts argue that arming a few teachers in a school will
be effective. Then they turn around and try to use military base
shootings, where there were half a dozen armed security guards,
armed police, armed NCIS on site that were there as the attack started
as an example of a "gun free zone".
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by trader_4
Dallas Police Shootings, 6 dead
A hit and run ambush where there was not much chance to shoot back.
So what? It was a mass shooting in a gun free zone. Mr. T claimed there
were zero.
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by trader_4
Sutherland Springs TX Church, 25 dead
Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the 25 were dead of course. And it does not change the fact
that what Mr. T posted was a lie. It was not a gun free zone.

You can also add the AZ shooting of Congresswoman Giffords to the list
of mass shootings in locations that were not gun free zones. I'm sure
there are more that I haven't thought of too.


The simple fact is that most of the mass shooting targets are chosen
because the shooter had a connection to them. What is so hard about
that to grasp? It was a school they attended, a place they worked,
or a military base where they worked and wanted to make a statement, etc.
And most of these shooters are either suicidal or don't care if they
die in the attack. Many other public places selected with no connection
it makes no sense to allow people to
carry, eg the Orlando nightclub shooting, unless you think it's wise
to have drunk 21 year olds in clubs at 2AM in the morning, armed with
guns. I suppose Mr. T would argue that makes sense. Other shootings,
eg the LV shooting, the worst in our history ( I'm confident that will
change before long), whether it was a gun free zone or not would have
made no difference. I suppose Mr. T thinks he would have gone in Rambo
style himself, busted down that door and ended it, saving everyone.
But then he also argued here recently that he could have hit the gunman
many floors up, inside his room, from hundreds of yards away, across
the street on the ground with a pistol, while under fire from an
automatic weapon, so we know how nuts he is.


Could having more people armed have saved some lives, in some
circumstances. Probably.
But you also have to be prepared for the undesired effects that
come with it. If we
put millions of more people with guns out there, with little or no
training, you're bound to have more shootings, accidental, where an
argument escalates, etc. We've already seen that where already there
have been incidents where guns brought by teachers into schools went
off accidentally, etc. And you don't frame the debate by starting with
BS, lies, and false arguments. Mr. T is like Trump, he can't make an
argument, put forth a case, without lying.
Bob F
2018-05-16 03:35:58 UTC
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Post by trader_4
Post by g***@aol.com
On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:18:35 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
Post by trader_4
Post by T
Post by FMurtz
I hope it stops the incessant "THERE HAS BEEN NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
THE BUYBACK" waffle.
Humans can be expected to act like humans wherever
the live. In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings
are in gun free zones.
That of course is just another Mr. T lie. Some recent examples of mass shootings
Ft Hood Army Base, 13 dead
The only people with guns are the cops (MPs)
Post by trader_4
Washington Navy Yard, 12 dead
The only people with guns are the cops
The gun nut argument that Mr. T was trying to sell was that
mass shootings only happen in settings where there are no armed people
readily available to respond. Here's what happened at the Washington
"While on the first floor, the shooter moved around randomly before turning around and heading towards the front entrance. There, he fired at Richard Ridgell, the security officer stationed there, through a set of windows, killing him and taking his Beretta 92FS 9mm semiautomatic pistol afterwards. Ridgell, a former Maryland state trooper, had earlier been informed by two police officers to remain at his post and try to stop the gunman if he attempted to leave the building.[2][5][4][9][13][14][15] The shooter then fired his shotgun at a second security guard and a Navy military police officer at the first-floor atrium, missing both; the security guard fired back and the shooter fled down a hallway. Shortly afterwards, the shooter fired at two police officers and a Naval Criminal Investigative Service agent in another hallway before fleeing again.[9]"
There were 6 armed, trained professionals that the shooter encountered in the opening
minutes of his attack. Most were beyond even an armed security guard, they
were police and NCIS! That isn't a soft, unarmed target, not by any
stretch of the imagination. But Mr. T and now apparently you, would have
us believe if instead you or Mr. T had been there, you would have stopped
the whole thing like some Hollywood movie hero. Give us a break.
Post by g***@aol.com
Since 911 it is illegal to bring a gun onto a military base
As cited, military bases are typically armed and defended, as cited
in the actual case above. You can't have it both ways. On the one
hand, the gun nuts argue that arming a few teachers in a school will
be effective. Then they turn around and try to use military base
shootings, where there were half a dozen armed security guards,
armed police, armed NCIS on site that were there as the attack started
as an example of a "gun free zone".
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by trader_4
Dallas Police Shootings, 6 dead
A hit and run ambush where there was not much chance to shoot back.
So what? It was a mass shooting in a gun free zone. Mr. T claimed there
were zero.
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by trader_4
Sutherland Springs TX Church, 25 dead
Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the 25 were dead of course. And it does not change the fact
that what Mr. T posted was a lie. It was not a gun free zone.
You can also add the AZ shooting of Congresswoman Giffords to the list
of mass shootings in locations that were not gun free zones. I'm sure
there are more that I haven't thought of too.
The simple fact is that most of the mass shooting targets are chosen
because the shooter had a connection to them. What is so hard about
that to grasp? It was a school they attended, a place they worked,
or a military base where they worked and wanted to make a statement, etc.
And most of these shooters are either suicidal or don't care if they
die in the attack. Many other public places selected with no connection
it makes no sense to allow people to
carry, eg the Orlando nightclub shooting, unless you think it's wise
to have drunk 21 year olds in clubs at 2AM in the morning, armed with
guns. I suppose Mr. T would argue that makes sense. Other shootings,
eg the LV shooting, the worst in our history ( I'm confident that will
change before long), whether it was a gun free zone or not would have
made no difference. I suppose Mr. T thinks he would have gone in Rambo
style himself, busted down that door and ended it, saving everyone.
But then he also argued here recently that he could have hit the gunman
many floors up, inside his room, from hundreds of yards away, across
the street on the ground with a pistol, while under fire from an
automatic weapon, so we know how nuts he is.
Could having more people armed have saved some lives, in some
circumstances. Probably.
But you also have to be prepared for the undesired effects that
come with it. If we
put millions of more people with guns out there, with little or no
training, you're bound to have more shootings, accidental, where an
argument escalates, etc. We've already seen that where already there
have been incidents where guns brought by teachers into schools went
off accidentally, etc. And you don't frame the debate by starting with
BS, lies, and false arguments. Mr. T is like Trump, he can't make an
argument, put forth a case, without lying.
And like him, Trump claimed he would go in and stop the shooter by
himself. He's one of the bravest draft dodgers I've seen.
Uncle Monster
2018-05-16 04:16:42 UTC
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Post by trader_4
Post by g***@aol.com
On Sun, 13 May 2018 16:18:35 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
Post by trader_4
Post by T
Post by FMurtz
I hope it stops the incessant "THERE HAS BEEN NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE
THE BUYBACK" waffle.
Humans can be expected to act like humans wherever
the live. In my country (USA), *ALL* the mass shootings
are in gun free zones.
That of course is just another Mr. T lie. Some recent examples of mass shootings
Ft Hood Army Base, 13 dead
The only people with guns are the cops (MPs)
Post by trader_4
Washington Navy Yard, 12 dead
The only people with guns are the cops
The gun nut argument that Mr. T was trying to sell was that
mass shootings only happen in settings where there are no armed people
readily available to respond. Here's what happened at the Washington
"While on the first floor, the shooter moved around randomly before turning around and heading towards the front entrance. There, he fired at Richard Ridgell, the security officer stationed there, through a set of windows, killing him and taking his Beretta 92FS 9mm semiautomatic pistol afterwards. Ridgell, a former Maryland state trooper, had earlier been informed by two police officers to remain at his post and try to stop the gunman if he attempted to leave the building.[2][5][4][9][13][14][15] The shooter then fired his shotgun at a second security guard and a Navy military police officer at the first-floor atrium, missing both; the security guard fired back and the shooter fled down a hallway. Shortly afterwards, the shooter fired at two police officers and a Naval Criminal Investigative Service agent in another hallway before fleeing again.[9]"
There were 6 armed, trained professionals that the shooter encountered in the opening
minutes of his attack. Most were beyond even an armed security guard, they
were police and NCIS! That isn't a soft, unarmed target, not by any
stretch of the imagination. But Mr. T and now apparently you, would have
us believe if instead you or Mr. T had been there, you would have stopped
the whole thing like some Hollywood movie hero. Give us a break.
Post by g***@aol.com
Since 911 it is illegal to bring a gun onto a military base
As cited, military bases are typically armed and defended, as cited
in the actual case above. You can't have it both ways. On the one
hand, the gun nuts argue that arming a few teachers in a school will
be effective. Then they turn around and try to use military base
shootings, where there were half a dozen armed security guards,
armed police, armed NCIS on site that were there as the attack started
as an example of a "gun free zone".
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by trader_4
Dallas Police Shootings, 6 dead
A hit and run ambush where there was not much chance to shoot back.
So what? It was a mass shooting in a gun free zone. Mr. T claimed there
were zero.
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by trader_4
Sutherland Springs TX Church, 25 dead
Shot by a good guy with a gun.
After the 25 were dead of course. And it does not change the fact
that what Mr. T posted was a lie. It was not a gun free zone.
You can also add the AZ shooting of Congresswoman Giffords to the list
of mass shootings in locations that were not gun free zones. I'm sure
there are more that I haven't thought of too.
The simple fact is that most of the mass shooting targets are chosen
because the shooter had a connection to them. What is so hard about
that to grasp? It was a school they attended, a place they worked,
or a military base where they worked and wanted to make a statement, etc.
And most of these shooters are either suicidal or don't care if they
die in the attack. Many other public places selected with no connection
it makes no sense to allow people to
carry, eg the Orlando nightclub shooting, unless you think it's wise
to have drunk 21 year olds in clubs at 2AM in the morning, armed with
guns. I suppose Mr. T would argue that makes sense. Other shootings,
eg the LV shooting, the worst in our history ( I'm confident that will
change before long), whether it was a gun free zone or not would have
made no difference. I suppose Mr. T thinks he would have gone in Rambo
style himself, busted down that door and ended it, saving everyone.
But then he also argued here recently that he could have hit the gunman
many floors up, inside his room, from hundreds of yards away, across
the street on the ground with a pistol, while under fire from an
automatic weapon, so we know how nuts he is.
Could having more people armed have saved some lives, in some
circumstances. Probably.
But you also have to be prepared for the undesired effects that
come with it. If we
put millions of more people with guns out there, with little or no
training, you're bound to have more shootings, accidental, where an
argument escalates, etc. We've already seen that where already there
have been incidents where guns brought by teachers into schools went
off accidentally, etc. And you don't frame the debate by starting with
BS, lies, and false arguments. Mr. T is like Trump, he can't make an
argument, put forth a case, without lying.
And like him, Trump claimed he would go in and stop the shooter by
himself. He's one of the bravest draft dodgers I've seen.
He must know Bill Clinton? <snicker> ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Observant Monster
BurfordTJustice
2018-05-13 11:30:28 UTC
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"harry" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7635bea6-c087-4f3b-9eb6-***@googlegroups.com...
: On Saturday, 12 May 2018 20:36:39 UTC+1, T wrote:
: > On 05/12/2018 03:30 AM, BurfordTJustice wrote:
: > > What happening to the tough gun laws...
: > >
: > > 7 Killed in Australian Mass Shooting
: > >
: > > Seven people were killed in a shooting in Western Australia on Friday.
: > >
: > > Someone in Osmington, Australia, a small village near the town of
Margaret
: > > River, murdered seven members of the same family. Police responded to
a call
: > > about the shooting around dawn. They found three generations of the
same
: > > family killed and recovered two firearms from the scene.
: > >
: > > "Police are currently responding to what I can only describe as a
horrific
: > > incident," Western Australia state police commissioner Chris Dawson
told the
: > > Associated Press. "This devastating tragedy will no doubt have a
lasting
: > > impact on the families concerned, the whole community and, in
particular,
: > > the local communities in our southwest."
: > >
: > > The police said that four children and three adults were among those
: > > murdered.
: > >
: > > "It appears that gunshot wounds are there, but I don't want to go
further
: > > than that," Dawson told the BBC. "The loss of any life is tragic, but
four
: > > children and three adults-this is a significant tragedy."
: > >
: > > Australia effectively banned the ownership of most firearms for most
people
: > > in the wake of a 1996 shooting in Port Arthur. The ban was enforced
through
: > > a gun confiscation scheme that included a mandatory buyback program.
: > >
: > > The country's gun ban has been hailed by many gun-control activists in
the
: > > United States and around the world as a template for preventing mass
: > > shootings and gun violence. Former President Barack Obama praised the
gun
: > > ban in 2015 while bemoaning the fact that he hadn't been able to pass
the
: > > gun-control policies he had wanted to at that point in his presidency.
: > >
: > > "When Australia had a mass killing-I think it was in Tasmania-about 25
years
: > > ago, it was just so shocking the entire country said, 'Well, we're
going to
: > > completely change our gun laws,' and they did," he told comedian Marc
Maron
: > > during a podcast taping. "And it hasn't happened since."
: > >
: > > The country had just seen a mass shooting-where four or more people
were
: > > murdered-a year earlier after a man murdered his wife and three kids
when
: > > Obama made those comments. The country was also in the midst of a
spike in
: > > gun crime at the time.
: > >
: > > Hillary Clinton also expressed support for Australia's mandatory
buyback
: > > system during her 2016 campaign before a spokesperson quickly walked
it
: > > back. Most recently Democratic representative Eric Swalwell (Calif.)
penned
: > > an op-ed calling for a gun confiscation scheme similar to Australia's
in the
: > > United States.
: > >
: > > Gun murder after Australia's ban decreased at nearly the same rate as
in the
: > > United States, which did not institute a gun ban, and other violent
crimes
: > > saw an increase. The effectiveness of the country's gun ban remains a
heated
: > > debate as does the idea that the United States should adopt a similar
gun
: > > ban.
: > >
: > > Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and
did
: > > not speculate on the motives for the killings.
: > >
: > >
: >
: > Oh? I thought gun control fixed all that? Huh?
:
: The gun nuts will try to keep their guns.
: It will take years to recover them.
BurfordTJustice
2018-05-12 19:58:22 UTC
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"BurfordTJustice" <burford/***@uk.MI15> wrote in message news:pd6fo0$l11$***@dont-email.me...
: What happening to the tough gun laws...
:
: 7 Killed in Australian Mass Shooting
:
: Seven people were killed in a shooting in Western Australia on Friday.
:
: Someone in Osmington, Australia, a small village near the town of Margaret
: River, murdered seven members of the same family. Police responded to a
call
: about the shooting around dawn. They found three generations of the same
: family killed and recovered two firearms from the scene.
:
: "Police are currently responding to what I can only describe as a horrific
: incident," Western Australia state police commissioner Chris Dawson told
the
: Associated Press. "This devastating tragedy will no doubt have a lasting
: impact on the families concerned, the whole community and, in particular,
: the local communities in our southwest."
:
: The police said that four children and three adults were among those
: murdered.
:
: "It appears that gunshot wounds are there, but I don't want to go further
: than that," Dawson told the BBC. "The loss of any life is tragic, but four
: children and three adults-this is a significant tragedy."
:
: Australia effectively banned the ownership of most firearms for most
people
: in the wake of a 1996 shooting in Port Arthur. The ban was enforced
through
: a gun confiscation scheme that included a mandatory buyback program.
:
: The country's gun ban has been hailed by many gun-control activists in the
: United States and around the world as a template for preventing mass
: shootings and gun violence. Former President Barack Obama praised the gun
: ban in 2015 while bemoaning the fact that he hadn't been able to pass the
: gun-control policies he had wanted to at that point in his presidency.
:
: "When Australia had a mass killing-I think it was in Tasmania-about 25
years
: ago, it was just so shocking the entire country said, 'Well, we're going
to
: completely change our gun laws,' and they did," he told comedian Marc
Maron
: during a podcast taping. "And it hasn't happened since."
:
: The country had just seen a mass shooting-where four or more people were
: murdered-a year earlier after a man murdered his wife and three kids when
: Obama made those comments. The country was also in the midst of a spike in
: gun crime at the time.
:
: Hillary Clinton also expressed support for Australia's mandatory buyback
: system during her 2016 campaign before a spokesperson quickly walked it
: back. Most recently Democratic representative Eric Swalwell (Calif.)
penned
: an op-ed calling for a gun confiscation scheme similar to Australia's in
the
: United States.
:
: Gun murder after Australia's ban decreased at nearly the same rate as in
the
: United States, which did not institute a gun ban, and other violent crimes
: saw an increase. The effectiveness of the country's gun ban remains a
heated
: debate as does the idea that the United States should adopt a similar gun
: ban.
:
: Police have not yet released information on the Osmington shooter and did
: not speculate on the motives for the killings.
:
:
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