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OT: Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
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Stormin' Norman
2017-01-04 23:11:35 UTC
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Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.

From the Wall Street Journal

Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency

http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
r***@gmail.com
2017-01-04 23:51:57 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
You must still believe in the Tooth Fairy.
burfordTjustice
2017-01-05 12:42:13 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
About time...need to eliminate half of them/
Peter
2017-01-05 14:17:45 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would
do would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence
agencies, especially when those intelligence agencies have their
country, dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
In the Navy, there's an expression commonly heard to describe many
people's feeling about how useful re-organizations are. Rather than
identifying and dealing with actual deficiencies, the bureaucracy doing
the re-organization is said to be re-arranging the deck chairs on the
Titanic.
Stormin' Norman
2017-01-05 14:40:39 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would
do would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence
agencies, especially when those intelligence agencies have their
country, dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
In the Navy, there's an expression commonly heard to describe many
people's feeling about how useful re-organizations are. Rather than
identifying and dealing with actual deficiencies, the bureaucracy doing
the re-organization is said to be re-arranging the deck chairs on the
Titanic.
We had slightly more colorful ways of expressing similar sentiments in
the Corps.

However, in this case, I am certain that "revamp" is a euphemism for
hamstring or render ineffectual.

US intelligence agencies get a lot of criticism from idiots like
Trump. When you can't or won't discuss your successes; your enemies
can criticize you ad nauseam, paint you with a shit covered brush and
assign you an undeserved bad reputation.

All by itself, the ELINT espionage conducted by USN submarines, in
concert with the CIA and NSA have probably saved the world, a half
dozen times, from nuclear Armageddon.
trader_4
2017-01-05 14:46:54 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.

Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Muggles
2017-01-05 19:12:52 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.
Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
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Maggie
g***@aol.com
2017-01-05 21:08:25 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.
Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
I have been watching this pretty closely lately and what is leaking
out is that the NSA may still be bugging domestic Email servers and
they saw the hack. Nobody wants to tell us that tho.
I still want to know why this bullshit hack and the release of Emails
concerning things we already know (there are dirty tricks in politics)
is more important than using those resources to stop the criminal
hackers in Russia who take millions or maybe even billions from
Americans every year.
I am a lot more worried about crypto locker crooks than whether
Hillary screwed Bernie last year.
Muggles
2017-01-05 22:16:44 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.
Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
I have been watching this pretty closely lately and what is leaking
out is that the NSA may still be bugging domestic Email servers and
they saw the hack. Nobody wants to tell us that tho.
I still want to know why this bullshit hack and the release of Emails
concerning things we already know (there are dirty tricks in politics)
is more important than using those resources to stop the criminal
hackers in Russia who take millions or maybe even billions from
Americans every year.
I am a lot more worried about crypto locker crooks than whether
Hillary screwed Bernie last year.
yeah! great points!
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Maggie
Oren
2017-01-05 22:27:12 UTC
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Hillary screwed Bernie last year.
Oh crap. Where's the eye bleach?
Uncle Monster
2017-01-06 07:12:32 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.
Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
I have been watching this pretty closely lately and what is leaking
out is that the NSA may still be bugging domestic Email servers and
they saw the hack. Nobody wants to tell us that tho.
I still want to know why this bullshit hack and the release of Emails
concerning things we already know (there are dirty tricks in politics)
is more important than using those resources to stop the criminal
hackers in Russia who take millions or maybe even billions from
Americans every year.
I am a lot more worried about crypto locker crooks than whether
Hillary screwed Bernie last year.
The latest news I've heard is that the hacking of DNC computers may have been done by Russian nationals but not the Russian government. Russian hackers who are not connected with the Russian government or its spook agencies have been hacking into computers all over the world for nefarious reasons and often just out of curiosity. As you wrote, the hackers steal credit card numbers and defraud financial institutions out of millions in whatever currency they managed to poach. There is the British computer hacker Gary McKinnon who broke into a lot of U.S. government computer systems and he's not an agent of the UK. The feds want him because he embarrassed them not because he broke anything. It's the same thing with the Democrats/Commiecrats. The hackers, whoever they are, embarrassed the Democrats/Commiecrats and their poster girl Hitlery Clinton. Russians hackers did not get into voting machines and change the result of the November elections, the American people got into the voting machines and the Democrats/Commiecrats need to get over it, they lost big time. Go Wikileaks! ヽ(•‿•)ノ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

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trader_4
2017-01-06 16:03:32 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.
Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
I have been watching this pretty closely lately and what is leaking
out is that the NSA may still be bugging domestic Email servers and
they saw the hack. Nobody wants to tell us that tho.
I still want to know why this bullshit hack and the release of Emails
concerning things we already know (there are dirty tricks in politics)
is more important than using those resources to stop the criminal
hackers in Russia who take millions or maybe even billions from
Americans every year.
Why can't we do both?
FromTheRafters
2017-01-05 22:26:56 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.
Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
We're his enemies?

Wow, it's worse than I thought. ;)
trader_4
2017-01-06 16:07:52 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.
Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
We're his enemies?
Wow, it's worse than I thought. ;)
Trump did specifically address many of us as his enemies. Even more
bizarre, he did it in his New Year's greeting. He wished his supporters
a Happy New Year, then went on to include talking about the people who
did not vote for him and his "enemies". Very, very bizarre. He;s so
hateful and self-centered, that he can't even put out a normal, positive,
uplifting, unifying New Year's
message. With Nixon, we had to wait many years to learn of the enemies
list. Trump is already freely talking about them.
trader_4
2017-01-06 16:02:20 UTC
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Post by Stormin' Norman
Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet as
president of the United States, one of the first things they would do
would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,
especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,
dead-to-rights.
From the Wall Street Journal
Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
http://imgur.com/tffCDuQ
And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is going
on with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't even
had his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,
he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, very
troubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agenda
other than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd have
to dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,
no such analysis is necessary.
Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
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Maggie
Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't have
one, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 mil rapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.

The latest example of his narcissistic personality disorder came today,
when he used Twitter to attack Arnold S and the Apprentice show. He's
exec producer and he attacked the show as no good now, Arnold no good,
because Trump isn't there anymore.

Wake up Trumpets, this is one sick puppy!
Muggles
2017-01-06 17:09:18 UTC
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Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't have
one, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 mil
rapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.
You won't "get" what he's doing until a couple weeks after he's done it,
and you'll be wondering how you could have missed it. The days of POTUS
telling the liberal media and, therefore, also telling the world every
move the US is going to make ahead of time is over. Let them wonder.
Post by trader_4
The latest example of his narcissistic personality disorder came today,
when he used Twitter to attack Arnold S and the Apprentice show. He's
exec producer and he attacked the show as no good now, Arnold no good,
because Trump isn't there anymore.
I watched the show, and I'm not so impressed by Arnold, either.
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Maggie
trader_4
2017-01-06 17:43:17 UTC
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Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't have
one, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 mil
rapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.
You won't "get" what he's doing until a couple weeks after he's done it,
and you'll be wondering how you could have missed it. The days of POTUS
telling the liberal media and, therefore, also telling the world every
move the US is going to make ahead of time is over. Let them wonder.
I see. So we live by rule by fiat now. Trump will just do whatever
he pleases, we will find out later. No more Congress? No more debate?
So, like
Obamacare, one day Trump is just going to say, Obamacare is gone,
here is the new deal by my decree? Wow! We're further along the path
than I thought!

And thanks again, the above stupidity shows why you're no conservative.
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Post by trader_4
The latest example of his narcissistic personality disorder came today,
when he used Twitter to attack Arnold S and the Apprentice show. He's
exec producer and he attacked the show as no good now, Arnold no good,
because Trump isn't there anymore.
I watched the show, and I'm not so impressed by Arnold, either.
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Maggie
Woooosh! That obviously wasn't the point.
Muggles
2017-01-06 18:08:31 UTC
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Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't have
one, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 mil
rapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.
You won't "get" what he's doing until a couple weeks after he's done it,
and you'll be wondering how you could have missed it. The days of POTUS
telling the liberal media and, therefore, also telling the world every
move the US is going to make ahead of time is over. Let them wonder.
I see. So we live by rule by fiat now. Trump will just do whatever
he pleases, we will find out later. No more Congress? No more debate?
Since when is the media and/or public supposed to be read in on all the
details that the president has to make decisions on? He has a job,
which is different from the job of Congress, or any other position. He
doesn't need or have to debate many issues that he is charged with
making decisions on. The buck stops with him. It's no one elses job to
be president, and the different levels of government, along with all the
checks and balances involved work when people do their own jobs vs.
trying to do someone elses job!

Trump can't do many things unless it's approved by Congress, so, why are
you running around like a nut ranting as if he's some sort of Hitler in
the making?? It seems to me you're just trying to find ways to save
face because of your own positions, so you have no choice but to rant.
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Maggie
trader_4
2017-01-06 20:31:57 UTC
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Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to the
last president that went to war with CIA.
Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need to
know.
Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't have
one, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 mil
rapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.
You won't "get" what he's doing until a couple weeks after he's done it,
and you'll be wondering how you could have missed it. The days of POTUS
telling the liberal media and, therefore, also telling the world every
move the US is going to make ahead of time is over. Let them wonder.
I see. So we live by rule by fiat now. Trump will just do whatever
he pleases, we will find out later. No more Congress? No more debate?
Since when is the media and/or public supposed to be read in on all the
details that the president has to make decisions on?
Whenever it's a change in the law, at a minimum, obviously.
You Trumpet types were sure bitching when Pelosi said Obamacare
had to be passed before the public could find out what was in it.




He has a job,
Post by Muggles
which is different from the job of Congress, or any other position. He
doesn't need or have to debate many issues that he is charged with
making decisions on. The buck stops with him.
He can't cut taxes, build his wall, kill Obamacare, replace it with
something else, do his new infrastructure spending, increase defense
spending, increase our nuclear forces or many of the other things
he's promised on his own. He needs the approval of Congress.
Geez.




It's no one elses job to
Post by Muggles
be president, and the different levels of government, along with all the
checks and balances involved work when people do their own jobs vs.
trying to do someone elses job!
Total silliness.
Post by Muggles
Trump can't do many things unless it's approved by Congress,
Well, make up your mind! First you say he can, then you admit he
can't.


so, why are
Post by Muggles
you running around like a nut ranting as if he's some sort of Hitler in
the making??
Because he has a dangerous, cult like support, just like Hitler did.
Because, just like with Hitler, his supporters are incapable of looking
at the facts of his irrational, narcissistic, bizarre behavior and
instead quickly compromise themselves, their principles and it's
All hail Trump! Is he Hitler? No. But some of the same dangerous
traits, processes are there. The bizarre way that alleged conservatives
flipped from viewing Putin and Russia as an enemy, to accepting and
defending not only Russia's actions, but also their hacking, meddling
in US elections is about a good example of this as it gets. If
Hillary or Obama were siding with Russia, siding with Putin, the
same Trumpets would be calling them traitors.

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