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Gas fireplace with heating that can work without electricity
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Ignoramus28406
2017-01-06 14:53:52 UTC
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I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.

I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.

The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.

The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.

Is there anything of the sort.

Thanks
Dean Hoffman
2017-01-06 15:00:04 UTC
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Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
There were floor furnaces that worked like that years ago. No
fan, though. The thermostat worked off the furnace itself somehow.
Mark Lloyd
2017-01-06 21:47:37 UTC
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Post by Dean Hoffman
There were floor furnaces that worked like that years ago. No
fan, though. The thermostat worked off the furnace itself somehow.
I remember some in-wall heaters like that in an apartment I lived in
about 1967. The thermostat gets a LITTLE power from a thermocouple (one
end in the flame, and the other not).

I have a very old gas fireplace (apparently built to burn wood, but with
gas logs in it). This is very simple, with NO thermostat and NO
electricity. It's probably not a very efficient heater, but will heat
the whole house if given time. I used it that way one night in 1999,
when we had a power outage because on an ice storm.
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Terry Coombs
2017-01-07 01:51:50 UTC
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Post by Dean Hoffman
There were floor furnaces that worked like that years ago. No
fan, though. The thermostat worked off the furnace itself somehow.
I remember some in-wall heaters like that in an apartment I lived in
about 1967. The thermostat gets a LITTLE power from a thermocouple
(one end in the flame, and the other not).
If it puts out enough current to operate a gas valve it is more likely to
be a thermopile . Often used as a current/voltage source with floor furnaces
.
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w***@everywhere.com
2017-01-06 16:16:03 UTC
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:53:52 -0600, Ignoramus28406
Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
When the power goes out, YOU become the blower. You'll have to put your
mouth up to a flexible rubber tube, and blow real hard. You sound like
someone who has had a lot of practice blowing tubes, so this should not
be too difficult for you.
CRNG
2017-01-06 16:24:56 UTC
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:53:52 -0600, Ignoramus28406
Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
Take a look at these.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/NTESearch?N=0&Ntk=All&Ntt=gas+burning+heaters&Nty=1&D=gas+burning+heaters&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&cmnosearch=PPC&utm_source=google_PPC&utm_medium=HeatersStoves&utm_campaign=Generic&utm_content=gas%20burning%20heaters&mkwid=smCs7sNUY&pcrid=114678208751&mtype=p&devicetype=c&storeId=6970&langId=-1&type=search&gclid=CNqK15D0rdECFU4vgQodg_cAFg

Add a small floor fan if you want to move more heat.
https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=Floor%20Fans&cat_id=0
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ItsJoanNotJoann
2017-01-06 18:36:41 UTC
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Post by w***@everywhere.com
On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:53:52 -0600, Ignoramus28406
Post by Ignoramus28406
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
Add a small floor fan if you want to move more heat.
https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=Floor%20Fans&cat_id=0
How is that floor fan going to work if he has no electricity?
Uncle Monster
2017-01-06 19:10:18 UTC
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:53:52 -0600, Ignoramus28406
Post by Ignoramus28406
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
Add a small floor fan if you want to move more heat.
https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=Floor%20Fans&cat_id=0
How is that floor fan going to work if he has no electricity?
Magic or the solar cells and windmill he got from Obama. Perhaps a hand crank blower from an old residential fallout shelter like everyone was building when i was a kid. Hummm, I wonder what happened to the company that manufactured all those hand cranked blowers? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Ed Pawlowski
2017-01-06 16:28:13 UTC
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Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
Never saw a with/without but that does not mean they don't exist.
Getting something not dependent on electric is smart. My son has a free
standing stove in his house. You can find one that sits in the
fireplace opening.

Some heat is always better than no heat. Biggest hurdle is circulating
it through the house with no fans.
trader_4
2017-01-06 16:36:27 UTC
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Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
Never saw a with/without but that does not mean they don't exist.
Getting something not dependent on electric is smart. My son has a free
standing stove in his house. You can find one that sits in the
fireplace opening.
Some heat is always better than no heat. Biggest hurdle is circulating
it through the house with no fans.
Aside from the blower, he needs to find one where it can be lit without
electricity. IDK all what's available, but a lot of them now are
electric ignition, gas valve, etc.

Heatilator is one major suppliers of fireplaces meant for heating.
Mark Lloyd
2017-01-06 21:50:19 UTC
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On 01/06/2017 10:36 AM, trader_4 wrote:

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Aside from the blower, he needs to find one where it can be lit without
electricity. IDK all what's available, but a lot of them now are
electric ignition, gas valve, etc.
Something like my new water heater, which has push-button piezo
ignition. No electrical connection.
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Heatilator is one major suppliers of fireplaces meant for heating.
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Ignoramus28406
2017-01-07 18:43:56 UTC
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Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
Never saw a with/without but that does not mean they don't exist.
Getting something not dependent on electric is smart. My son has a free
standing stove in his house. You can find one that sits in the
fireplace opening.
Some heat is always better than no heat. Biggest hurdle is circulating
it through the house with no fans.
I understand that with any sort of heating of this nature, I cannot
expect a perfect climate in every corner of the house. I just want to
keep the house warm enough to live in and avoid pipes freezing. I do
not want anything "ventless" because of too many problems, moisture
and bad air.

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burfordTjustice
2017-01-06 16:46:16 UTC
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:53:52 -0600
Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
After the gas heater, get a good generator.
Terry Coombs
2017-01-06 17:53:05 UTC
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Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
We heat with wood , but for insurance purposes I have installed an
unvented gas heater - the kind that has those ceramic plates and produces
radiant heat rather than a blue flame unit . It has a piezo igniter for the
pilot , is thermostat controlled , and needs nothing but a gas supply . I'm
pretty sure they make one that can be installed in your fireplace opening .
This one could be , it hangs on the wall . You don't say if yours is vented
or not , but most of those gas log devices aren't .
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Al Dente
2017-01-06 19:22:19 UTC
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Post by Ignoramus28406
I am planning my home remodeling. I have a gas fireplace that is only
for looks and produces barely any heat and wastes a lot of gas.
I would like to have a fireplace that can effectively heat the
house.
The catch is that I want one that is able to work with and without
electric blowers, perhaps at reduced efficiency if the blower is not
running.
The reason, somewhat obvious, is that I want to have emergency heat
when there is no electricity.
Is there anything of the sort.
Thanks
I had a Desa International direct-vent through-the-wall natural gas fireplace installed that does not require AC power. Unfortunately the company went out of business 9 years ago so I can't give you a working link.


If it pukes beyond repair, I'll probably replace it with a Regency. https://www.regency-fire.com
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