Dominic Raable

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"R. Mark Clayton" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:9ff70fea-0d28-4b9a-b481-***@googlegroups.com...
: Raab has resigned because he can't support the deal he was responsible for
negotiating.
:
: Perhaps he didn't know what was in it, because like his predecessor he had
taken to absenteeism as negotiations came down to the wire: -
:
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https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/dominic-raab-skips-new-round-of-eu-talks-for-drinks-at-think-tank-1-5609193
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https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/brexit-absent-from-commissioners-input-for-state-of-the-eu-speech/
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-raab/brexit-secretary-raab-not-heading-to-brussels-this-week-sun-editor-idUKKCN1MI10O
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: "Dominic Raab was the most apathetic minister in a government that does
not care
: Dominic Raab's stint as Brexit secretary has been characterised by
misunderstandings, disinterest and personal bias."
:
: https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/dominic-raab-resigns
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:
: Could his ministerial salary be docked for not showing up to work?
:

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"Norman Wells" <***@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...
: On 15/11/2018 12:19, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
:
: > Raab has resigned because he can't support the deal he was responsible
for negotiating.
:
: But he wasn't. He was only appointed in July, and as soonn as he was
: appointed he was totally sidelined by May who said she was taking charge
: of negotiations. He had absolutely no authority. And if you have no
: authority you bear no responsibility.

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"R. Mark Clayton" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:37feaf86-66d1-468d-be4c-***@googlegroups.com...
: On Thursday, 15 November 2018 14:44:19 UTC, Norman Wells wrote:
: > On 15/11/2018 12:19, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
: >
: > > Raab has resigned because he can't support the deal he was responsible
for negotiating.
: >
: > But he wasn't. He was only appointed in July, and as soonn as he was
: > appointed he was totally sidelined by May who said she was taking charge
: > of negotiations. He had absolutely no authority. And if you have no
: > authority you bear no responsibility.
:
: So why did not resign before? Oh the fat salary...

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"Norman Wells" <***@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...
: On 15/11/2018 14:45, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
: > On Thursday, 15 November 2018 14:44:19 UTC, Norman Wells wrote:
: >> On 15/11/2018 12:19, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
: >>
: >>> Raab has resigned because he can't support the deal he was responsible
for negotiating.
: >>
: >> But he wasn't. He was only appointed in July, and as soonn as he was
: >> appointed he was totally sidelined by May who said she was taking
charge
: >> of negotiations. He had absolutely no authority. And if you have no
: >> authority you bear no responsibility.
: >
: > So why did not resign before? Oh the fat salary...
:
: He probably thought he might be able to influence things his way, and
: was better placed to do that in office than not.
:
: He was only appointed in July.
:
:

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"Yellow" <***@none.com.invalid> wrote in message news:***@News.Individual.NET...
: In article <37feaf86-66d1-468d-be4c-***@googlegroups.com>,
: ***@gmail.com says...
: >
: > On Thursday, 15 November 2018 14:44:19 UTC, Norman Wells wrote:
: > > On 15/11/2018 12:19, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
: > >
: > > > Raab has resigned because he can't support the deal he was
responsible for negotiating.
: > >
: > > But he wasn't. He was only appointed in July, and as soonn as he was
: > > appointed he was totally sidelined by May who said she was taking
charge
: > > of negotiations. He had absolutely no authority. And if you have no
: > > authority you bear no responsibility.
: >
: > So why did not resign before? Oh the fat salary...
:
: He got about 70 grand extra for being a cabinet minister. While a decent
: sum, I am not convinced it can be classed as a "fat salary" given how it
: must affect their lives.

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"Ophelia" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...
:
:
: "Norman Wells" wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...
:
: On 15/11/2018 12:19, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
:
: > Raab has resigned because he can't support the deal he was responsible
for
: > negotiating.
:
: But he wasn't. He was only appointed in July, and as soonn as he was
: appointed he was totally sidelined by May who said she was taking charge
: of negotiations. He had absolutely no authority. And if you have no
: authority you bear no responsibility.
:
: ==
:
: The same as she did to David Davis as well as Raab! Only Ollie Robins had
a
: say.
:

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"Yellow" <***@none.com.invalid> wrote in message news:***@News.Individual.NET...
: In article <210368ce-ebca-4982-af01-***@googlegroups.com>,
: ***@gmail.com says...
: >
: > On Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:36:41 UTC, Norman Wells wrote:
: > > On 15/11/2018 17:30, MM wrote:
: > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:03:16 -0000, Yellow <***@none.com.invalid>
: > > > wrote:
: > > >
: > > >> In article <9ff70fea-0d28-4b9a-b481-***@googlegroups.com>,
: > > >> ***@gmail.com says...
: > > >>>
: > > >>> Raab has resigned because he can't support the deal he was
responsible for negotiating.
: > > >>
: > > >> Why do you think he was responsible for negotiating the deal? The
man
: > > >> behind this is Oliver Robbins.
: > > >
: > > > Robbins is a civil servant, a foot solider of Raab's, who is a
Member
: > > > of Parliament and the politician in charge of the negotiations until
: > > > his resignation this morning.
: > >
: > > Don't be silly. He was May's soldier, not Raab's or even Davies's.
: >
: > He is a civil servant and serves the UK government - who's Queen, who's
PM?
:
: How is in your interest to make out Robbins does not have the power that
: he does in fact have?
:
: How is this to your advantage?
:
: All I can think is because he is a remainer who has brokered a deal that
: is unacceptable to almost everyone except the EU and that makes you feel
: uncomfortable but I would love to hear you correct me.

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"R. Mark Clayton" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:cb083c57-f9c7-4bdc-9e06-***@googlegroups.com...
: On Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:09:19 UTC, Yellow wrote:
: > In article <210368ce-ebca-4982-af01-***@googlegroups.com>,
: > ***@gmail.com says...
: > >
: > > On Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:36:41 UTC, Norman Wells wrote:
: > > > On 15/11/2018 17:30, MM wrote:
: > > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:03:16 -0000, Yellow <***@none.com.invalid>
: > > > > wrote:
: > > > >
: > > > >> In article
<9ff70fea-0d28-4b9a-b481-***@googlegroups.com>,
: > > > >> ***@gmail.com says...
: > > > >>>
: > > > >>> Raab has resigned because he can't support the deal he was
responsible for negotiating.
: > > > >>
: > > > >> Why do you think he was responsible for negotiating the deal? The
man
: > > > >> behind this is Oliver Robbins.
: > > > >
: > > > > Robbins is a civil servant, a foot solider of Raab's, who is a
Member
: > > > > of Parliament and the politician in charge of the negotiations
until
: > > > > his resignation this morning.
: > > >
: > > > Don't be silly. He was May's soldier, not Raab's or even Davies's.
: > >
: > > He is a civil servant and serves the UK government - who's Queen,
who's PM?
: >
: > How is in your interest to make out Robbins does not have the power that
: > he does in fact have?
: >
: > How is this to your advantage?
: >
: > All I can think is because he is a remainer who has brokered a deal that
: > is unacceptable to almost everyone except the EU and that makes you feel
: > uncomfortable but I would love to hear you correct me.
:
: It may well be that Davis and Raab didn't really call the shots - they
were not PM after all, but it is nonsense to suggest that a civil servant
called the shots in the negotiations for the UK anymore than Barnier did for
the EU.