Any chance this has a fuse which has failed.

[micky]

My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.

But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?

It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.

This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

[Jim Joyce]

Post by micky
My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working.

I had one of those, way back in the day. I only used it for playing what I
managed to download and burn to CD\DVD. It played anything you could throw at
it. On a video forum, one guy said it would probably play the serrated lid from
a can of tuna. I eventually gave it to my sister and she used it for quite a few
years, eventually selling it to a friend of hers. Those things must have been
workhorses.

I hope you figure out a solution.

[Bob F]

Post by micky
My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.
But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.
This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

If the tray opens and closes, it is not the fuse. Will it play a dvd
given the correct commands, even without the display working.

[Retirednoguilt]

Post by micky
My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.
But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.
This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

I was able to find and download the service manual for this item at:

https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl

Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
English. The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in
the manual. It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
supplies. That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
digital power supply). I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
have missed something.

Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse. This appears
to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
many ICs etc. Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
for a fully retired person. Nothing to lose. You can't break it! It's
already not functioning. You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.

[Clare Snyder]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.
But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.
This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl
Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
English. The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in
the manual. It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
supplies. That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
digital power supply). I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
have missed something.
Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse. This appears
to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
many ICs etc. Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
for a fully retired person. Nothing to lose. You can't break it! It's
already not functioning. You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.

On that vintage machine from Philips I would be highly suspicious of
failed power filter capacitors.There was a lot of
"counterfeit"electrolyte circulating amung capacitor manufacturers
back then. Look for swelled caps. The tops should be concave. You will
likely find several convex. There are scribed marks in the end of the
caps (usually) which allow them to swell without bursting.
Replacing the caps may not totally solve the problem as resistors
connected to them may have overloaded and burned out as well. Also
sometimes diods or transistors are overloaded and fail but USUALLY
re-capping solves the problem. Get low ESR caps if possible.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.
But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.
This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl

Thanks. Very helpful.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
English.

The Japanese part? I don't think so. But almost all is in Engish.
That's just the guy who sent it in wanting credit for himself and maybe
his company.

Post by Clare Snyder
The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in

Post by Retirednoguilt
the manual. It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
supplies. That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
digital power supply). I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
have missed something.
Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse. This appears

It's worth endless effort, assuming I have some chance of success.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
many ICs etc. Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
for a fully retired person. Nothing to lose. You can't break it! It's
already not functioning. You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.

A few years after I got this, I looked for another because I knew this
would fail someday, and there were only 1 or 2 alternatives DVDR's with
Hardrive, and one was $600 and even it had some4thing I didn't like.

This week, when I first looked on ebay, before posting here, I found
they were no selling for 30 to 70 dollars, on ebay. Whoopee. But one of
he ebay models I found on Amazon complete with a video review in which
he pointed out that one could not play one recording while watching a
different recording. That's pretty important. At least I do it all the
time.

Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
now 5 more days to run but started at $15. Seveal are listed as Tested,
but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote. But even the
ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything? maybe
must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons. A
fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.) Did they even connect a TV to
see if something was coming out the other end? They all promise in the
standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
channels without the remote. So they assume it works but I'll have to
ship it back if it doesn't.

[Bob F]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.
But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.
This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl

Thanks. Very helpful.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
English.

The Japanese part? I don't think so. But almost all is in Engish.
That's just the guy who sent it in wanting credit for himself and maybe
his company.

Post by Clare Snyder
The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in

Post by Retirednoguilt
the manual. It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
supplies. That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
digital power supply). I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
have missed something.
Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse. This appears

It's worth endless effort, assuming I have some chance of success.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
many ICs etc. Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
for a fully retired person. Nothing to lose. You can't break it! It's
already not functioning. You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.

A few years after I got this, I looked for another because I knew this
would fail someday, and there were only 1 or 2 alternatives DVDR's with
Hardrive, and one was $600 and even it had some4thing I didn't like.
This week, when I first looked on ebay, before posting here, I found
they were no selling for 30 to 70 dollars, on ebay. Whoopee. But one of
he ebay models I found on Amazon complete with a video review in which
he pointed out that one could not play one recording while watching a
different recording. That's pretty important. At least I do it all the
time.
Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
now 5 more days to run but started at $15. Seveal are listed as Tested,
but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote. But even the
ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything? maybe
must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons. A
fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.) Did they even connect a TV to
see if something was coming out the other end? They all promise in the
standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
channels without the remote. So they assume it works but I'll have to
ship it back if it doesn't.

I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or
network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the
TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
on for scheduled shows.

[Orca Winfrey]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt

Post by Retirednoguilt

My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working.  It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD.  I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.
But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in?  Maybe it's the display
that has broken?   I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine.   The owners manual says nothing about a fuse.  Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.
This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3  hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it.  You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail.  Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl

Thanks.  Very helpful.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
English.

The Japanese part?  I don't think so. But almost all is in Engish.
That's just the guy who sent it in wanting credit for himself and maybe
his company.

Post by Clare Snyder
The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in

Post by Retirednoguilt
the manual.  It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
supplies.  That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
digital power supply).  I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
have missed something.
Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse.  This appears

It's worth endless effort, assuming I have some chance of success.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
many ICs etc.  Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
for a fully retired person.  Nothing to lose.  You can't break it!  It's
already not functioning.  You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.

A few years after I got this, I looked for another because I knew this
would fail someday, and there were only 1 or 2 alternatives DVDR's with
Hardrive, and one was $600 and even it had some4thing I didn't like.
This week, when I first looked on ebay, before posting here, I found
they were no selling for 30 to 70 dollars, on ebay. Whoopee.  But one of
he ebay models I found on Amazon complete with a video review in which
he pointed out that one could not play one recording while watching a
different recording. That's pretty important.  At least I do it all the
time.
Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
now 5 more days to run but started at $15.  Seveal are listed as Tested,
but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote.  But even the
ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything?  maybe
must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons.  A
fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.)  Did they even connect a TV to
see if something was coming out the other end?   They all promise in the
standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
channels without the remote.  So they assume it works but I'll have to
ship it back if it doesn't.

I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
on for scheduled shows.

I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

[Retirednoguilt]

Post by Orca Winfrey
I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

The major telcom TV providers, e.g., Comcast, Verizon, etc. want you to
rent their DVRs for at least $10/mo. and subscribe to their over-priced
bundle of channels rather than use your own DVR to record over-the-air
broadcasts in areas where OTA reception is available. (In cases when
they stream their programs over the internet, unless you find an
illegal, pirated way to watch, you still need to subscribe to have
access through their paywall.) They or their family of companies own
many of the OTA stations. No surprise that they will DRM encrypt their
broadcast signals to force people to purchase their channel packages and
rent their equipment. Of course, their stable of high priced lobbyists,
intellectual property and corporate lawyers have won the day in
Congress, at the FCC, and in the courts. It seems broadcasters no
longer need even to pretend to perform a public service. They only need
to serve the best interests of their shareholders. I understand the
need to protect intellectual property and collect royalties etc. but
their strategy to bundle etc. enables them to charge well beyond their
costs + a reasonable profit.

[Bob F]

Post by Orca Winfrey

Post by Bob F

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt

Post by Retirednoguilt

My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working.  It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD.  I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.
But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in?  Maybe it's the display
that has broken?   I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine.   The owners manual says nothing about a fuse.  Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.
This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3  hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it.
You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail.  Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl

Thanks.  Very helpful.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
English.

The Japanese part?  I don't think so. But almost all is in Engish.
That's just the guy who sent it in wanting credit for himself and maybe
his company.

Post by Clare Snyder
The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in

Post by Retirednoguilt
the manual.  It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
supplies.  That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
digital power supply).  I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
have missed something.
Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse.  This appears

It's worth endless effort, assuming I have some chance of success.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
many ICs etc.  Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
for a fully retired person.  Nothing to lose.  You can't break it!
It's
already not functioning.  You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.

A few years after I got this, I looked for another because I knew this
would fail someday, and there were only 1 or 2 alternatives DVDR's with
Hardrive, and one was $600 and even it had some4thing I didn't like.
This week, when I first looked on ebay, before posting here, I found
they were no selling for 30 to 70 dollars, on ebay. Whoopee.  But one of
he ebay models I found on Amazon complete with a video review in which
he pointed out that one could not play one recording while watching a
different recording. That's pretty important.  At least I do it all the
time.
Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
now 5 more days to run but started at $15.  Seveal are listed as Tested,
but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote.  But even the
ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything?  maybe
must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons.  A
fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.)  Did they even connect a TV to
see if something was coming out the other end?   They all promise in the
standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
channels without the remote.  So they assume it works but I'll have to
ship it back if it doesn't.

I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC
or network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on
the TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler
turns it on for scheduled shows.

I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but
7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

Who do you have to "subscribe" to to get them?

Or, does this just block off recording?

[Orca Winfrey]

Post by Bob F

Post by Orca Winfrey

I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns
it on for scheduled shows.

I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

Who do you have to "subscribe" to to get them?

As I understand it, atsc3 has the mechanism to support subscriptions but they're not using that feature in my area.

Post by Bob F
Or, does this just block off recording?

On my FLEX 4K receivers, the local CBS atsc3 channels allow live viewing, recording, playback and commercial skip.

The local NBC atsc3 channels are DRM protected so block live viewing, recording, playback and commercial skip. All you get is a black screen.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 25 Nov 24 11:15:57 UTC, Orca Winfrey

Post by Orca Winfrey

Post by micky
Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
now 5 more days to run but started at $15.  Seveal are listed as Tested,
but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote.  But even the
ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything?  maybe
must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons.  A
fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.)  Did they even connect a TV to
see if something was coming out the other end?   They all promise in the
standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
channels without the remote.  So they assume it works but I'll have to
ship it back if it doesn't.

I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
on for scheduled shows.

I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

The current rule is that some time in spring of 2028 they will be
allowed to stop transmitting atsc1, but they left open that they may
change the rule, which I assume means delay it longer.

There still are a lot of cities where there is no atsc3, and more
importantly, it's not backward compatible, so they will either have 300
million obsolete tvs or they'll have to have another converter box
giveaway.

I came across a youtube channel by the antennaman or antenna man. Easy
to find in youtube. He's clear, easy to watch, concise, not bloated,
and he has one among many where he talks about atsc3.

I've thought about this a bit before buying a new 15-year old dvdr, but
I'm going by my usual rule, to assume nothing will ever change until
after I'm dead, say 2052. By then even my new old dvdr will have
failed.

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

Post by Orca Winfrey
I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but
7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

While I don't want that to happen, Its not "killing the DVR" when you can
use it with cable. At least when the DVR can control the cable box.

I'm still using ReplayTV DVRs (mostly for old shows).

[Orca Winfrey]

Post by Mark Lloyd
[snip]

Post by Orca Winfrey
I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but
7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

While I don't want that to happen, Its not "killing the DVR" when you can
use it with cable. At least when the DVR can control the cable box.
I'm still using ReplayTV DVRs (mostly for old shows).

I don't know of any stand-alone networked consumer DVR that can record/playback DRM encrypted atsc3.0 content.
I've heard rumors the entertainment overlords are working on it but we all know how that goes.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 09:18:55 -0800, Bob F

Post by Bob F
I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or
network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the
TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
on for scheduled shows.

That sounds like a great system.

I thought about that for myself a few years back but it would take a lot
more work than just replacing the DVDR. Because all the incoming and
outgoig wires go to my bedroom, and all my video and audio stuff is on a
bookshelf next to my bed, and the computer is in anoher room. I looked
into controlling the computer from my bedroom.

I copied the HdHomeRun and the SageTV and if I ever can't replace the
DVDR or I move to an old-people storage facility, I may do it your way.

BTW. back to my original post, since I get no output from the harddrive
or the DVD, and the foot counter indicates that the HDD is progressing,
it means that some output circuit has failed and the harddrive is still
working after 15 years of heavy use. I'm very impressed.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 12:25:36 -0500, micky

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 09:18:55 -0800, Bob F

Post by Bob F
I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or
network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the
TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
on for scheduled shows.

That sounds like a great system.
I thought about that for myself a few years back but it would take a lot
more work than just replacing the DVDR. Because all the incoming and
outgoig wires go to my bedroom, and all my video and audio stuff is on a
bookshelf next to my bed, and the computer is in anoher room. I looked
into controlling the computer from my bedroom.
I copied the HdHomeRun and the SageTV and if I ever can't replace the
DVDR or I move to an old-people storage facility, I may do it your way.

https://www.sagetv.com/

We’re thrilled to announce that SageTV has been acquired by Google.

We're also now thrilled that Google let us open source the SageTV
platform! The source code is now available on GitHub......

The SageTV Forums can be accessed here

[Bob F]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 12:25:36 -0500, micky

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 09:18:55 -0800, Bob F

Post by Bob F
I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or
network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the
TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
on for scheduled shows.

That sounds like a great system.
I thought about that for myself a few years back but it would take a lot
more work than just replacing the DVDR. Because all the incoming and
outgoig wires go to my bedroom, and all my video and audio stuff is on a
bookshelf next to my bed, and the computer is in anoher room. I looked
into controlling the computer from my bedroom.
I copied the HdHomeRun and the SageTV and if I ever can't replace the
DVDR or I move to an old-people storage facility, I may do it your way.

https://www.sagetv.com/
We’re thrilled to announce that SageTV has been acquired by Google.
We're also now thrilled that Google let us open source the SageTV
platform! The source code is now available on GitHub......
The SageTV Forums can be accessed here

There is also an android version of sagetv ( sageTV miniclient) that can
be loaded into android based TV's or devices like my firetv 4K to view
the recorded programs. It accesses the files on my network that SageTV
server on the PC directs from my TV tuner boxes. That is what I use most
of the time for viewing. The android version looks and operates just
like the PC version.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
one.
But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
disconnecting them and confusing myself.
This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
the problem today.

https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl
Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
English. The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in
the manual. It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
supplies. That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
digital power supply). I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
have missed something.
Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse. This appears
to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
many ICs etc. Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
for a fully retired person. Nothing to lose. You can't break it! It's
already not functioning. You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.

On that vintage machine from Philips I would be highly suspicious of
failed power filter capacitors.There was a lot of
"counterfeit"electrolyte circulating amung capacitor manufacturers
back then. Look for swelled caps. The tops should be concave. You will
likely find several convex. There are scribed marks in the end of the
caps (usually) which allow them to swell without bursting.
Replacing the caps may not totally solve the problem as resistors
connected to them may have overloaded and burned out as well. Also
sometimes diods or transistors are overloaded and fail but USUALLY
re-capping solves the problem. Get low ESR caps if possible.

I found a webpage question from someone with that very model who says he
replaced the fuse, by accident with 1amp instead of 2, and it quickly
blew. But the specs that Retired sent show no fuse! Figure that out.

Removing it from it's book shelf was indeed difficult. First I foudn
some white tape to label the wires with and I unlike electrical tape, a
regular pen worked, didn't need indelible. But it turned out the tape
was not white but clear. Still it should be good enough.

Then I twisted pretty hard but couldn't remove the

Then the rubber feet were stuck hard to the receiver below it.

Finally got it out and in another room saw that indeed thhe panel light
went on, though dimly. And it appeared to play, and the foot meter
advanced when it did. And the DVD drawer opened and shut with the
remote. Ugh, I hope I didn't drag it out of the shelf for nothing.
Connected a TV, and no picture. Ah, but that's becauze I connected it
to Signal In, not Out. Still no picture. Ah, that's because no antenna
Pound a twist tie about a foot long, stipped off a half inch to the wire
underneath, still no picture. So it's broken, just like I thought.

Except now, I wonder. a 12 inch wire would have been plenty for analog
tv. Is digital on a lower frequency, longer wave length that would not
work? Or must signal strenghth be higher?

[Retirednoguilt]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
Finally got it out and in another room saw that indeed thhe panel light
went on, though dimly. And it appeared to play, and the foot meter
advanced when it did. And the DVD drawer opened and shut with the
remote. Ugh, I hope I didn't drag it out of the shelf for nothing.
Connected a TV, and no picture. Ah, but that's becauze I connected it
to Signal In, not Out. Still no picture. Ah, that's because no antenna
Pound a twist tie about a foot long, stipped off a half inch to the wire
underneath, still no picture. So it's broken, just like I thought.
Except now, I wonder. a 12 inch wire would have been plenty for analog
tv. Is digital on a lower frequency, longer wave length that would not
work? Or must signal strenghth be higher?

Micky, as I recall, that device had an old NTSC (analog TV signal) tuner
in it. You many need to find an old digital to analog converter box and
put that between the antenna and the antenna input of the Phillips
device. I'm not surprised that you couldn't tune in an TV station on a
TV tuner that only receives analog TV signals. You must not have used
that DVDR since before the implementation of digital TV broadcasting.

[Clare Snyder]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 11:48:48 -0500, Retirednoguilt

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
Finally got it out and in another room saw that indeed thhe panel light
went on, though dimly. And it appeared to play, and the foot meter
advanced when it did. And the DVD drawer opened and shut with the
remote. Ugh, I hope I didn't drag it out of the shelf for nothing.
Connected a TV, and no picture. Ah, but that's becauze I connected it
to Signal In, not Out. Still no picture. Ah, that's because no antenna
Pound a twist tie about a foot long, stipped off a half inch to the wire
underneath, still no picture. So it's broken, just like I thought.
Except now, I wonder. a 12 inch wire would have been plenty for analog
tv. Is digital on a lower frequency, longer wave length that would not
work? Or must signal strenghth be higher?

Micky, as I recall, that device had an old NTSC (analog TV signal) tuner
in it. You many need to find an old digital to analog converter box and
put that between the antenna and the antenna input of the Phillips
device. I'm not surprised that you couldn't tune in an TV station on a
TV tuner that only receives analog TV signals. You must not have used
that DVDR since before the implementation of digital TV broadcasting.

try playing a tape or dvd. If they work it is just the tuner
incombatability. If they don't, you have a problem - possibly the caps
as I noted.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 16:25:42 -0500, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 11:48:48 -0500, Retirednoguilt

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
Finally got it out and in another room saw that indeed thhe panel light
went on, though dimly. And it appeared to play, and the foot meter
advanced when it did. And the DVD drawer opened and shut with the
remote. Ugh, I hope I didn't drag it out of the shelf for nothing.
Connected a TV, and no picture. Ah, but that's becauze I connected it
to Signal In, not Out. Still no picture. Ah, that's because no antenna
Pound a twist tie about a foot long, stipped off a half inch to the wire
underneath, still no picture. So it's broken, just like I thought.
Except now, I wonder. a 12 inch wire would have been plenty for analog
tv. Is digital on a lower frequency, longer wave length that would not
work? Or must signal strenghth be higher?

Micky, as I recall, that device had an old NTSC (analog TV signal) tuner
in it.

It has both. Or I couldn't have been watching ota tv for the last 15
years.

Post by Clare Snyder
You many need to find an old digital to analog converter box and

I can't rememgber now. Either that's part of the one I have or I'm
already using one. I also have a couple separate converters. One is
connected in front of the VCR, which I have connected with an A-B switch
to the cable running to all the other rooms.

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Retirednoguilt
put that between the antenna and the antenna input of the Phillips
device. I'm not surprised that you couldn't tune in an TV station on a
TV tuner that only receives analog TV signals. You must not have used
that DVDR since before the implementation of digital TV broadcasting.

try playing a tape or dvd. If they work it is just the tuner

It doesn't play tapes but I did play the DVD and the foot counter showed
it progressing (and the "hdd in use" light came on, but nothing came out
the other end.

Post by Clare Snyder
incombatability. If they don't, you have a problem - possibly the caps
as I noted.

Could be the caps, but that's a repair that will tke me longer than I
want to wait. Why I haven't already bought one of the 9 (actually 8)
that are for sale now, I don't know Two more got listed in the last few
days, so ebay is not going to sell out, but the longer I wait, the
longer I won't have anything.

I bypassed the dvdr and connected the antenna straight to what I guess
is the analog converter. When the DVDR is on, the red light on the
converter changes to green, but when I connected the antenna, it stayed
red. However on one TV, despite the light not changing to green, I
could get channels 13.1-6.*** On another I could get nothing. Then I
remembered that besides convering, the converter has digital
pass-through and it's the smart tv that's getting tv. It includes a
comedy station (Catchy) and Movies!, which is enough to keep me happy
until the new one comes.

*** I was already having reception problems on some channels. I think I
kicked something and disconnecte the antenna or he antenna amplifier or
its power input. I used to be able to get all the DC stations, I can't
now but since digital there are so many more Baltimore stations, far
more than I have time to watch, I don't miss DC much. When everything
was working, I watched mostly MeTV, Antenna TV, and Story TV****. I
haven't had time to watch Movies!, Grit, and a couple others I know I
would like.

****I don't know hy more people who have cable don't put in an A-B so
they can also watch OTA-only stations, like Story TV. EAch day of the
week is a different topic,
Monday: Military and Combat
Tuesday: Tech and Innovation
Wednesday: World Events
Thursday: American History
Friday: Modern Marvels
Saturday: Unexplained Phenomena
Sunday: Biography

Saturday is for wackos but the other days are good. They had a great
history of the lightbulb and power distribution in the US. IIRC, they
have about 4 hours a day, or maybe 6, which they repeat for 24 hours.

They even make A-B switches with remote control so you don't have to get
out of your chair.

[Retirednoguilt]

Post by micky
****I don't know hy more people who have cable don't put in an A-B so
they can also watch OTA-only stations,

I suspect fewer and fewer people live in areas where they can receive
usable OTA reception, at least not without having a highly directional
antenna at high elevation connected via a signal amplifier. As more and
more high rise construction encroaches on the suburbs, people who might
have received decent reception 10 years ago can't do so anymore;
especially those who live in 2-3 story townhouses or single family homes
or on the lower floors of taller buildings. Those in more rural
settings and highly urbanized areas can't either (due to either or both
weak signal strength and strong multi-path interference). This leaves
fewer people in the mamma bear - intermediate locations.

As far as urban reception is concerned, when I lived in Manhattan back
in the late 60s, before commercial digital TV broadcasting, even analog
reception OTA was completely impossible in many neighborhoods even
though you might be only a mile or so from the transmitting tower on top
of the Empire State Building. Cable was absolutely required in those
areas. And, antenna reception also was interrupted every few minutes
due to the airplane traffic to and from Newark, La Guardia, and JFK
airports. Oh, and the police, news, and traffic helicopters constantly
added their contribution to the multi-path problems caused by all the
tall buildings and airplanes.

[Ed P]

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
****I don't know hy more people who have cable don't put in an A-B so
they can also watch OTA-only stations,

I suspect fewer and fewer people live in areas where they can receive
usable OTA reception, at least not without having a highly directional
antenna at high elevation connected via a signal amplifier.

We did when I lived in Philadelphia until 1981. We had the three
networks, a PBS and two UHF stations. No way to record anything back
then either. When we moved, cable was a necessity.

Times have changed. I do watch the 6 o'clock news live, everything else
I watch is recorded and I FF the commercials.

I see no reason to go back 45 years.

[clams casino]

Times have changed.  I do watch the 6 o'clock news live

No...times have NOT changed for you...

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 14:02:19 -0500, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
****I don't know hy more people who have cable don't put in an A-B so
they can also watch OTA-only stations,

I suspect fewer and fewer people live in areas where they can receive
usable OTA reception, at least not without having a highly directional
antenna at high elevation connected via a signal amplifier.

I don't think that is true. “By 2040, 70% of the population is expected
to live in just 15 states.” rated mostly true by politifact, which says
it's 67.2%
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/06/jd-scholten/about-70-percent-us-residents-expected-live-15-lar/

and this is a trend we are in today, and I think that within those
states, the increase in population is in urban and suburban areas (but
mostly not steel frame buildings) that get good ota receptiuon even with
rabbit ears**. Most of the new construction in Baltimore and the ajacent
counties are townhouses or single fmaily homes. There are a few 5 and
10 story buildings but not manyu. With much smaller increase in rural
areas that don't.

**I never used rabbit ears. I used in NYC a piece of multistrand wire
about 40" long, which I twisted and pushed into the co-ax connector.

Funny story, when I was fixing tvs for money, part time, a girl from
Pratt Institute called me and wanted me to fix her sewing machine. I
picked it up and while there she complained about her tv reception. She
lived in ateel frame building. I told her to get a wire and run it out
the window, which was nearby. I failed to fix the sewing machine (they
are a mystery.) and I returned it, she'd bought a new tv which also got
bad reception. She gave me the old tv which worked fine in my 6-story
building. I was on the side facing the World Trade Center. I don't
know if reception was as good on the other side.

I think people watch cable and pay for streaming while ignoring OTA for
the same reason they drink bottled water instead of the stuff that comes
out of the faucet. They've been sold a bill of goods. it's the same
reason many African women in the 70's used infant formula instead of
mother's milk, even when they couldn't afford to buy enough to nourish
their child. They thought infant formula was western, modern, and
great. The same reason many of those women in the US in the 50's or
60's who could have nursed their babies switched to infant formula. It
was modern, so it must be better.

Post by Ed P
We did when I lived in Philadelphia until 1981. We had the three
networks, a PBS and two UHF stations. No way to record anything back
then either. When we moved, cable was a necessity.
Times have changed. I do watch the 6 o'clock news live, everything else
I watch is recorded and I FF the commercials.

One can record OTA shows too, and FF the commercials.

Post by Ed P
I see no reason to go back 45 years.

[Mark Lloyd]

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
****I don't know hy more people who have cable don't put in an A-B so
they can also watch OTA-only stations,

I suspect fewer and fewer people live in areas where they can receive
usable OTA reception, at least not without having a highly directional
antenna at high elevation connected via a signal amplifier.

When I was growing up, we just got 4 channels. Now I get 3 of those.
However, with the subchannels I get 16.

[snip]

[Retirednoguilt]

Post by Mark Lloyd

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
****I don't know hy more people who have cable don't put in an A-B so
they can also watch OTA-only stations,

I suspect fewer and fewer people live in areas where they can receive
usable OTA reception, at least not without having a highly directional
antenna at high elevation connected via a signal amplifier.

When I was growing up, we just got 4 channels. Now I get 3 of those.
However, with the subchannels I get 16.
[snip]

I get the easy way out. Our condo has a bulk contract for "triple play"
(TV, Internet, Landline phone) with Comcast and we pay via our HOA
whether we want it or use it. Cost per month is about 1/2 of what we'd
pay by subscribing to the same bundle on an individual account. The TV
bundle has over 300 stations, includes 4K quality broadcasts, a
subscription to MAX, a DVR with a 100 hour recording capacity, and a
second, non-DVR box for an additional TV in another room. Just as well.
Our OTA reception is restricted to using indoor antennas and very
affected by aircraft traffic. We're not allowed to have anything on our
balconies other than table and chairs furniture or have anything hanging
out of our windows, or affixed permanently to our windows. Fortunately,
with the Comcast bundle, we have no need to use OTA reception. We have
a Roku and subscribe to as many premium streaming channels as we want.
The Roku gives us better video signal quality on all of them (Max,
Netflix, Hulu, etc.) compared to the reception using the "APPs" we could
select on the Comcast cable box menu or download on our smart TV. Less
signal compression streaming a 100 Mb/s wifi signal through a 4K roku
box than what Comcast can push through a long run of coax. Not sure why
the Roku provides better video than the same app downloaded onto our
smart TV. Both of them are about the same vintage (2021).

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

Post by micky
****I don't know hy more people who have cable don't put in an A-B so
they can also watch OTA-only stations, like Story TV. EAch day of the
week is a different topic,
World Events Thursday: American History Friday: Modern Marvels
Saturday: Unexplained Phenomena Sunday: Biography

I have both cable and antenna. EVERYTHING on the cable is encrypted, so
has to go through the cable box. That connects to the TV through HDMI,
leaving the tuner input free for antenna. No additional switch is
required.

[snip]

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on 26 Nov 2024 18:54:14 GMT, Mark Lloyd

Post by Mark Lloyd
[snip]

Post by micky
****I don't know hy more people who have cable don't put in an A-B so
they can also watch OTA-only stations, like Story TV. EAch day of the
week is a different topic,
World Events Thursday: American History Friday: Modern Marvels
Saturday: Unexplained Phenomena Sunday: Biography

I have both cable and antenna. EVERYTHING on the cable is encrypted, so
has to go through the cable box. That connects to the TV through HDMI,
leaving the tuner input free for antenna. No additional switch is
required.

Excellent. I was going to say that they should make DVDR's (or TVs)
that can handle both OT and cable, but I guess in a way, they do.

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

Post by micky

Post by Mark Lloyd
I have both cable and antenna. EVERYTHING on the cable is encrypted, so
has to go through the cable box. That connects to the TV through HDMI,
leaving the tuner input free for antenna. No additional switch is
required.

Excellent. I was going to say that they should make DVDR's (or TVs)
that can handle both OT and cable, but I guess in a way, they do.

I remember before the cable changed (in 2016), and you could still get
some cable channels without the box, I wished my TV had two RF inputs.
--
27 days until the winter celebration (Wednesday, December 25, 2024
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The only terror in death is the apprehension of what lies beyond it,
and that emotion is impossible to a sincere disbeliever." -- C.W. Foote,
Infidel Death Beds

[Retirednoguilt]

Post by Mark Lloyd
[snip]

Post by micky

Post by Mark Lloyd
I have both cable and antenna. EVERYTHING on the cable is encrypted, so
has to go through the cable box. That connects to the TV through HDMI,
leaving the tuner input free for antenna. No additional switch is
required.

Excellent. I was going to say that they should make DVDR's (or TVs)
that can handle both OT and cable, but I guess in a way, they do.

I remember before the cable changed (in 2016), and you could still get
some cable channels without the box, I wished my TV had two RF inputs.

What was wrong with an A/B switch?

[Mark Lloyd]

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by Mark Lloyd
[snip]

Post by micky

Post by Mark Lloyd
I have both cable and antenna. EVERYTHING on the cable is encrypted,
so has to go through the cable box. That connects to the TV through
HDMI, leaving the tuner input free for antenna. No additional switch
is required.

Excellent. I was going to say that they should make DVDR's (or TVs)
that can handle both OT and cable, but I guess in a way, they do.

I remember before the cable changed (in 2016), and you could still get
some cable channels without the box, I wished my TV had two RF inputs.

What was wrong with an A/B switch?

I'm not sure now, but one problem would be getting the TV to recognize the
new lineup each time.
--
26 days until the winter celebration (Wednesday, December 25, 2024
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by a
resort to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to
physics or chemistry." [H.L. Mencken]

[micky]

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 11:48:48 -0500,

Post by Retirednoguilt

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
Finally got it out and in another room saw that indeed thhe panel light
went on, though dimly. And it appeared to play, and the foot meter
advanced when it did. And the DVD drawer opened and shut with the
remote. Ugh, I hope I didn't drag it out of the shelf for nothing.
Connected a TV, and no picture. Ah, but that's becauze I connected it
to Signal In, not Out. Still no picture. Ah, that's because no antenna
Pound a twist tie about a foot long, stipped off a half inch to the wire
underneath, still no picture. So it's broken, just like I thought.
Except now, I wonder. a 12 inch wire would have been plenty for analog
tv. Is digital on a lower frequency, longer wave length that would not
work? Or must signal strenghth be higher?

Micky, as I recall, that device had an old NTSC (analog TV signal) tuner
in it. You many need to find an old digital to analog converter box and
put that between the antenna and the antenna input of the Phillips
device. I'm not surprised that you couldn't tune in an TV station on a
TV tuner that only receives analog TV signals. You must not have used
that DVDR since before the implementation of digital TV broadcasting.

No, it has both an analog and a digital tuner, and I have a
whatchamacallit to make the output analog. That's one reason I bought
it, to get digital signals.

In a few minutes, I'm starting a new thrread about a couple
idiosyncracies of the item.