A new study shows daycare costs more than rent and mortgage in almost every state

[Jon Brady]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues to be
a major financial burden for many parents. They found that placing two
kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than the typical rent,
on average, in every state in the US, and the District of Columbia last
year. The price tag exceeded annual typical mortgage payments in 45
states.

According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and average
the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.

The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.

Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up their
prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.

The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more subsidies,
lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and supply.

They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families are
not priced out of the system.

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more-
than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

[T]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues to be
a major financial burden for many parents. They found that placing two
kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than the typical rent,
on average, in every state in the US, and the District of Columbia last
year. The price tag exceeded annual typical mortgage payments in 45
states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and average
the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up their
prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more subsidies,
lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families are
not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more-
than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Here is an idea. One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances. The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even. And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

[Ed P]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues to be
a major financial burden for many parents. They found that placing two
kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than the typical rent,
on average, in every state in the US, and the District of Columbia last
year. The price tag exceeded annual typical mortgage payments in 45
states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and average
the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up their
prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more subsidies,
lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families are
not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more-
than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not want
to pursue a fulfilling career.

If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the house,
I'd be an alcoholic now.

Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

[Ed P]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not want
to pursue a fulfilling career.
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the house,
I'd be an alcoholic now.
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Being a mother is a fulfilling career. Like every career choice, it is
not for everyone. You did what is best for you.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Ed P

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not want
to pursue a fulfilling career.
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the house,
I'd be an alcoholic now.
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Being a mother is a fulfilling career. Like every career choice, it is
not for everyone. You did what is best for you.

All the women I've known have wanted a career outside the home.
Engineers, mathematicians, and computer programmers. Most of them
also raised children, in partnership with their husbands.

[Ed P]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not want
to pursue a fulfilling career.
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the house,
I'd be an alcoholic now.
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Being a mother is a fulfilling career. Like every career choice, it is
not for everyone. You did what is best for you.

All the women I've known have wanted a career outside the home.
Engineers, mathematicians, and computer programmers. Most of them
also raised children, in partnership with their husbands.

Sure you can subcontract raising children. For some kids, it may be a
benefit if the caregiver is better at it than the parent. They can even
video important things like the kid's first steps and such to show the
parents.

Every case is different. My kids (now 56,54) will tell you they like
coming home from school and be greeted by mom. Occasionally, mom would
volunteer at the school.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 14:42:05 -0400, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not want
to pursue a fulfilling career.
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the house,
I'd be an alcoholic now.
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Being a mother is a fulfilling career. Like every career choice, it is
not for everyone. You did what is best for you.

All the women I've known have wanted a career outside the home.
Engineers, mathematicians, and computer programmers. Most of them
also raised children, in partnership with their husbands.

Sure you can subcontract raising children. For some kids, it may be a
benefit if the caregiver is better at it than the parent. They can even
video important things like the kid's first steps and such to show the
parents.

Fortunately we have the internet, so if you didn't get a video of your
kid's first steps or first words, you can find videos on Youtube. Other
children but they are quite similar to yours.

Post by Ed P
Every case is different. My kids (now 56,54) will tell you they like
coming home from school and be greeted by mom. Occasionally, mom would
volunteer at the school.

When we lived in Pennsylvania, until I was 10, my mother did errands
during the day but was home every morning when I left and every
afternoon when I came home from school.

Except just one day that she went to a doctor's appt in a bigger city 20
miles away. That was the day I jumped off a 10' wall and broke my leg!

(Even then she had hired a maid for the day so someone would be there,
and when my mother got home, the maid said to her, "I don't know how to
tell you this, Micky's Mother." Uh-huh. "It's about Micky" uh-huh.....
by the time the maid got it out that I had only broken my leg my mother
thought far worse things had happened, and she was frantic. She zoomed
to the hospital and they were repaving Mercer St. and where a manhole
was going to be, they had an 18x18" hole with a vertical wall about a
foot deep and I think no barricade at all. One of her wheels went into
the hole and she bumped up so high her head hit the car's roof. But it
didn't stop her or her car! This was before barricades were invented.)

I'd jumped off the same wall twice the afternoon before, with no
problem.

[Akidasar]

On 18 May 2024 18:02:01 GMT

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does
not want to pursue a fulfilling career.
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the
house, I'd be an alcoholic now.
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Being a mother is a fulfilling career. Like every career choice,
it is not for everyone. You did what is best for you.

All the women I've known have wanted a career outside the home.
Engineers, mathematicians, and computer programmers. Most of them
also raised children, in partnership with their husbands.

Anecdotes.

[Bob F]

Post by Akidasar
On 18 May 2024 18:02:01 GMT

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does
not want to pursue a fulfilling career.
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the
house, I'd be an alcoholic now.
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Being a mother is a fulfilling career. Like every career choice,
it is not for everyone. You did what is best for you.

All the women I've known have wanted a career outside the home.
Engineers, mathematicians, and computer programmers. Most of them
also raised children, in partnership with their husbands.

Anecdotes.

Remember the days when a working class American family could actually
survive with a single income. You know, before Reagan and trickle down
economics. Back when corporate taxes were high enough that rather than
stock buybacks, they would invest in research, building their business
and making sure they took care of their employees, because the got tax
breaks for those thing.

[Akidasar]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 15:07:02 -0700

Post by Bob F
Remember the days when a working class American family could actually
survive with a single income. You know, before Reagan

You misspelled LBJ, moron.

[Akidasar]

On 18 May 2024 15:22:35 GMT

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not
want to pursue a fulfilling career.

Define "the".

Whose quality of life?

Post by Cindy Hamilton
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the
house, I'd be an alcoholic now.

Weak mind.

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Might be time to terminate it.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Akidasar
On 18 May 2024 15:22:35 GMT

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not
want to pursue a fulfilling career.

Define "the".
Whose quality of life?

The one referred to by T:

"And the quality of life will increase dramatically"

The husband's, I assume.

Post by Akidasar

Post by Cindy Hamilton
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the
house, I'd be an alcoholic now.

Weak mind.

Too intelligent to be satisfied with kids and housework.
Self-medicating to deal with the boredom.

Post by Akidasar

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Might be time to terminate it.

It was terminated in the natural way about 12 years ago.

[Akidasar]

On 18 May 2024 21:43:15 GMT

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Akidasar
On 18 May 2024 15:22:35 GMT

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not
want to pursue a fulfilling career.

Define "the".
Whose quality of life?

"And the quality of life will increase dramatically"
The husband's, I assume.

Thereby making an ass of you and me, pass.

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Akidasar

Post by Cindy Hamilton
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the
house, I'd be an alcoholic now.

Weak mind.

Too intelligent to be satisfied with kids and housework.
Self-medicating to deal with the boredom.

Damaged goods then.

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Akidasar

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

Might be time to terminate it.

It was terminated in the natural way about 12 years ago.

Nice.

[Jim Sutton]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist. Would your leader Trump approve?

The quality of life will increase dramatically if the wife does not
want to pursue a fulfilling career.
If I'd stayed home and spent my time taking care of kids and the
house, I'd be an alcoholic now.

Drugs were cheaper and more plentiful, hunh?

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Good thing I never wound up my biological clock.

[T]

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist.

Your family orientation, something to be admired,
is not Fascism. Your politics are: propaganda
narratives, Gleichschaltung, power and control,
overbearing government as teacher, control of
industry and profit distribution, totalitarianism,
yada, yada, yada.

Post by Ed P
Would your leader Trump approve?

He calls your politics Fascism too. Surprise!

If you decide to change from government control of
industry to government ownership, I will revise my
evaluation of you and call you a communist. That is
the only difference between communists and fascists.

¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

[T]

Post by T

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist.

Your family orientation, something to be admired,
is not Fascism.  Your politics are: propaganda
narratives, Gleichschaltung, power and control,
overbearing government as teacher, control of
industry and profit distribution, totalitarianism,
yada, yada, yada.

Oops forgot to add socialism and marxism.

Post by T

Post by Ed P
Would your leader Trump approve?

He calls your politics Fascism too.  Surprise!
If you decide to change from government control of
industry to government ownership, I will revise my
evaluation of you and call you a communist.  That is
the only difference between communists and fascists.

Well, there is the the class struggle verses the
race struggle. Notice how antisemitic and anti
religion your side has gotten? Fascists and
communists did that too.

Post by T
¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

I like the sound of that!

[Ed P]

Post by T

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist.

Your family orientation, something to be admired,
is not Fascism.  Your politics are: propaganda
narratives, Gleichschaltung, power and control,
overbearing government as teacher, control of
industry and profit distribution, totalitarianism,
yada, yada, yada.

Post by Ed P
Would your leader Trump approve?

He calls your politics Fascism too.  Surprise!
If you decide to change from government control of
industry to government ownership, I will revise my
evaluation of you and call you a communist.  That is
the only difference between communists and fascists.
¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong. The Republican party
was very good at one time but went to crap about 2015/2016 and never
recovered.

[Bob F]

Post by T

Post by Ed P

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

We did that and you call me a fascist.

Your family orientation, something to be admired,
is not Fascism.  Your politics are: propaganda
narratives, Gleichschaltung, power and control,
overbearing government as teacher, control of
industry and profit distribution, totalitarianism,
yada, yada, yada.

Post by Ed P
Would your leader Trump approve?

He calls your politics Fascism too.  Surprise!
If you decide to change from government control of
industry to government ownership, I will revise my
evaluation of you and call you a communist.  That is
the only difference between communists and fascists.
¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong.  The Republican party
was very good at one time but went to crap about 2015/2016 and never
recovered.

Today, it stands only for power grabbing criminals and their supporters.

[h***@ccanoemail.com]

Post by Bob F

I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong.  The Republican party
was very good at one time but went to crap about 2015/2016 and never
recovered.

Today, it stands only for power grabbing criminals and their supporters.

Perhaps .. but when total-dirt-bags like Mitt Romney
and Michael Cohen somehow become the Good Guys -
... even The Left is out-to-lunch.
John T.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 20:35:38 -0400,

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com

Post by Bob F

I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong.  The Republican party
was very good at one time but went to crap about 2015/2016 and never
recovered.

It is really amazing. I admired Barry Goldwater, and most Republicans
except Nixon and his gang since then have been respectable, until tRump.

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com

Post by Bob F
Today, it stands only for power grabbing criminals and their supporters.

Perhaps .. but when total-dirt-bags like Mitt Romney
and Michael Cohen somehow become the Good Guys -
... even The Left is out-to-lunch.
John T.

Everything is rated by comparison. Compared to trump, Nixon was a
prince. Compared to trump, Michael Cohen is, at least now, a good
guy**. Compared to 96% of Republicans, Mitt Romney is a good guy. He
voted to convict in one out of 2 trump impeachments.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't know anything immoral about Romney,
though that doesn't mean I'd vote for him. (Although I remmember now I
heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad
stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to
hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney
actually said.)

**The big thing Blanche supposedly found this past Thursday, that he had
a 95 secod phone call and according to Blanche he only had time to say
"Got rid of the teenaga spam caller" and not alwo, "Let me talk to
trump". A big load of nuthin. 95 secons is barely enough to handle
even one of those two topics, but by the same token, it's more than
enough time enough to quickly handle both.

And more important, it was 8 years ago, he makes phone calls all day
long, and he's supposed to remember what each one was. i make few
phone calls and even if I had other records, I'd have no idea what one
from 8 years ago was about.

And more important, there was another call to tRump, and 5 minutes
later, Cohen wired the money to Daniels. That was the call where tRump
said to do it

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 21:14:30 -0400, micky

Post by micky

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Perhaps .. but when total-dirt-bags like Mitt Romney
and Michael Cohen somehow become the Good Guys -
... even The Left is out-to-lunch.
John T.

Everything is rated by comparison. Compared to trump, Nixon was a
prince. Compared to trump, Michael Cohen is, at least now, a good
guy**. Compared to 96% of Republicans, Mitt Romney is a good guy. He
voted to convict in one out of 2 trump impeachments.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't know anything immoral about Romney,
though that doesn't mean I'd vote for him. (Although I remmember now I
heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad
stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to
hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney
actually said.)

I wonder if he has a new book out, because he seems to have given a
bunch of interviews in the past week. No, it's college graduation.

He asid "“[Biden] should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution
from going forward,” Romney said during the interview."
That's ridiculous. The President has no business interfering in NYS
coourts or DOJ prosecutions. Plus trump deserves to be prosecuted in
all 4 locations and probably more.

"“Had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought out
indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him,” he added. “Why?
Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I
pardoned the little guy. And, number two, it’s not going to get resolved
before the election. It’s not going to have an impact before the
election. And, frankly, the country doesn’t want to have to go through
prosecuting a former president.”"

You don't decide whether to prosecute based on how the public feels
about it. That's what "law and order" is about.

Sad. sad, sad. It might something to do with who he knows and shares
coffee with. Same reason Gov. Hogan would not make even Maryland
Democrats happy, even though he was good as govenor.


To lighten the mood:

Post by micky
(Although I heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney said. "

[Bob F]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 21:14:30 -0400, micky

Post by micky

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Perhaps .. but when total-dirt-bags like Mitt Romney
and Michael Cohen somehow become the Good Guys -
... even The Left is out-to-lunch.
John T.

Everything is rated by comparison. Compared to trump, Nixon was a
prince. Compared to trump, Michael Cohen is, at least now, a good
guy**. Compared to 96% of Republicans, Mitt Romney is a good guy. He
voted to convict in one out of 2 trump impeachments.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't know anything immoral about Romney,
though that doesn't mean I'd vote for him. (Although I remmember now I
heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad
stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to
hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney
actually said.)

Romney was a corporate raider.
Romney made his millions buying up companies, saddling them with debt to
cover the loans he bought them with, selling their assets, raiding the
pensions, and bankrupting the companies, leaving the workers with no job
or pension.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-183291/

Post by micky
I wonder if he has a new book out, because he seems to have given a
bunch of interviews in the past week. No, it's college graduation.
He asid "“[Biden] should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution
from going forward,” Romney said during the interview."
That's ridiculous. The President has no business interfering in NYS
coourts or DOJ prosecutions. Plus trump deserves to be prosecuted in
all 4 locations and probably more.
"“Had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought out
indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him,” he added. “Why?
Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I
pardoned the little guy. And, number two, it’s not going to get resolved
before the election. It’s not going to have an impact before the
election. And, frankly, the country doesn’t want to have to go through
prosecuting a former president.”"
You don't decide whether to prosecute based on how the public feels
about it. That's what "law and order" is about.
Sad. sad, sad. It might something to do with who he knows and shares
coffee with. Same reason Gov. Hogan would not make even Maryland
Democrats happy, even though he was good as govenor.
To lighten the mood: http://youtu.be/Aoh7j46xleE

Post by micky
(Although I heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney said. "

[Skid Marks]

Post by Bob F
Romney was a corporate raider.
Romney made his millions buying up companies, saddling them with
debt to cover the loans he bought them with, selling their assets,
raiding the pensions, and bankrupting the companies, leaving the
workers with no job or pension.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-183291/

Mitt Romney is a fake Republican. One look at his voting record
reveals he is clearly a Demonrat.
Same goes for his crooked niece RINO Ronna Romney.

Politicians say one thing on the campaign trail but vote the opposite
once elected.
Clearly massive fraud. Politicians commit fraud and get away with it.

[Ed P]

Post by Skid Marks
Politicians say one thing on the campaign trail but vote the opposite
once elected.
Clearly massive fraud. Politicians commit fraud and get away with it.

I agree 100% you are correct. Yet you still support Trump.
He committed fraud for years with bankruptcy. for instance.

[Frank]

Post by Skid Marks
Politicians say one thing on the campaign trail but vote the opposite
once elected.
Clearly massive fraud. Politicians commit fraud and get away with it.

I agree 100% you are correct.  Yet you still support Trump.
He committed fraud for years with bankruptcy. for instance.

Trump does what he says he will do and if you understand business you
would understand bankruptcies.

[Ed P]

Post by Frank

Post by Skid Marks
Politicians say one thing on the campaign trail but vote the opposite
once elected.
Clearly massive fraud. Politicians commit fraud and get away with it.

I agree 100% you are correct.  Yet you still support Trump.
He committed fraud for years with bankruptcy. for instance.

Trump does what he says he will do and if you understand business you
would understand bankruptcies.

Lets look at promises first
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

Now lets look at how people got screwed from bankruptcy, a tool he used
frequently

I've owned and operated businesses. I know about bankruptcy. Someone
always gets screwed out of money.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20200929/111078/HMKP-116-JU00-20200929-SD003.pdf

https://allmandlaw.com/how-trump-leveraged-other-peoples-money-to-make-bankruptcy-work-for-him-a-timeline/

[Skid Marks]

Post by Ed P

Post by Frank

Post by Skid Marks
Politicians say one thing on the campaign trail but vote the
opposite once elected.
Clearly massive fraud. Politicians commit fraud and get away with it.

I agree 100% you are correct.  Yet you still support Trump.
He committed fraud for years with bankruptcy. for instance.

Trump does what he says he will do and if you understand business
you would understand bankruptcies.

Lets look at promises first

Yah, which Democrat said "If you like your healthcare plan you can
keep it"

[Clare Snyder]

Post by Ed P

Post by Frank

Post by Skid Marks
Politicians say one thing on the campaign trail but vote the opposite
once elected.
Clearly massive fraud. Politicians commit fraud and get away with it.

I agree 100% you are correct.  Yet you still support Trump.
He committed fraud for years with bankruptcy. for instance.

Trump does what he says he will do and if you understand business you
would understand bankruptcies.

Lets look at promises first
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
Now lets look at how people got screwed from bankruptcy, a tool he used
frequently
I've owned and operated businesses. I know about bankruptcy. Someone
always gets screwed out of money.
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20200929/111078/HMKP-116-JU00-20200929-SD003.pdf
https://allmandlaw.com/how-trump-leveraged-other-peoples-money-to-make-bankruptcy-work-for-him-a-timeline/

And some slime-bag almost always comes out smelling like a rose. With
corporate bankrupsy situations it often takes 3, or 4, or 5 before the
slime-ball involved actually feels the cosequences. A large number are
called "bankrupsies of convenience" for very good reasons.

[Skid Marks]

Post by Skid Marks
Politicians say one thing on the campaign trail but vote the
opposite once elected.
Clearly massive fraud. Politicians commit fraud and get away with it.

I agree 100% you are correct.  Yet you still support Trump.
He committed fraud for years with bankruptcy. for instance.

Trump's bankruptcy was peanuts compared to the damage caused when your
boy shut down the Keystone XL.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 19 May 2024 05:59:35 -0400, Skid Marks

Post by Skid Marks

Post by Bob F
Romney was a corporate raider.
Romney made his millions buying up companies, saddling them with
debt to cover the loans he bought them with, selling their assets,
raiding the pensions, and bankrupting the companies, leaving the
workers with no job or pension.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-183291/

Mitt Romney is a fake Republican. One look at his voting record
reveals he is clearly a Demonrat.
Same goes for his crooked niece RINO Ronna Romney.

Same goes for trump. To most with open eyes, he's clearly a fascist,
but no one can claim he's a Republican.

Post by Skid Marks
Politicians say one thing on the campaign trail but vote the opposite
once elected.
Clearly massive fraud. Politicians commit fraud and get away with it.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 21:35:18 -0700, Bob F

Post by Bob F

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 21:14:30 -0400, micky

Post by micky

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Perhaps .. but when total-dirt-bags like Mitt Romney
and Michael Cohen somehow become the Good Guys -
... even The Left is out-to-lunch.
John T.

Everything is rated by comparison. Compared to trump, Nixon was a
prince. Compared to trump, Michael Cohen is, at least now, a good
guy**. Compared to 96% of Republicans, Mitt Romney is a good guy. He
voted to convict in one out of 2 trump impeachments.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't know anything immoral about Romney,
though that doesn't mean I'd vote for him. (Although I remmember now I
heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad
stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to
hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney
actually said.)

Romney was a corporate raider.
Romney made his millions buying up companies, saddling them with debt to
cover the loans he bought them with, selling their assets, raiding the
pensions, and bankrupting the companies, leaving the workers with no job
or pension.

Aha. I remember that now, vaguely. I wasnt' following him when he did
this stuff and it never sank in during the pres. campaign.

I think pension plans should be first in the bankruptcy distribution
order, ahead of everything or something close to that. I don't know how
employers get away with raiding the pension fund, or even underfunding
it. it's almost outright theft.

When I was working, none of the places had a pension plan and I was okay
with that so I wouldn't have to worry that they would steal it from me.

Post by Bob F
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-183291/

Post by micky
I wonder if he has a new book out, because he seems to have given a
bunch of interviews in the past week. No, it's college graduation.
He asid "“[Biden] should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution
from going forward,” Romney said during the interview."
That's ridiculous. The President has no business interfering in NYS
coourts or DOJ prosecutions. Plus trump deserves to be prosecuted in
all 4 locations and probably more.
"“Had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought out
indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him,” he added. “Why?
Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I
pardoned the little guy. And, number two, it’s not going to get resolved
before the election. It’s not going to have an impact before the
election. And, frankly, the country doesn’t want to have to go through
prosecuting a former president.”"
You don't decide whether to prosecute based on how the public feels
about it. That's what "law and order" is about.
Sad. sad, sad. It might something to do with who he knows and shares
coffee with. Same reason Gov. Hogan would not make even Maryland
Democrats happy, even though he was good as govenor.
To lighten the mood: http://youtu.be/Aoh7j46xleE

Post by micky
(Although I heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney said. "

[Frank]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 21:35:18 -0700, Bob F

Post by Bob F

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 21:14:30 -0400, micky

Post by micky

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Perhaps .. but when total-dirt-bags like Mitt Romney
and Michael Cohen somehow become the Good Guys -
... even The Left is out-to-lunch.
John T.

Everything is rated by comparison. Compared to trump, Nixon was a
prince. Compared to trump, Michael Cohen is, at least now, a good
guy**. Compared to 96% of Republicans, Mitt Romney is a good guy. He
voted to convict in one out of 2 trump impeachments.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't know anything immoral about Romney,
though that doesn't mean I'd vote for him. (Although I remmember now I
heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad
stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to
hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney
actually said.)

Romney was a corporate raider.
Romney made his millions buying up companies, saddling them with debt to
cover the loans he bought them with, selling their assets, raiding the
pensions, and bankrupting the companies, leaving the workers with no job
or pension.

Aha. I remember that now, vaguely. I wasnt' following him when he did
this stuff and it never sank in during the pres. campaign.
I think pension plans should be first in the bankruptcy distribution
order, ahead of everything or something close to that. I don't know how
employers get away with raiding the pension fund, or even underfunding
it. it's almost outright theft.
When I was working, none of the places had a pension plan and I was okay
with that so I wouldn't have to worry that they would steal it from me.

Post by Bob F
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-183291/

Post by micky
I wonder if he has a new book out, because he seems to have given a
bunch of interviews in the past week. No, it's college graduation.
He asid "“[Biden] should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution
from going forward,” Romney said during the interview."
That's ridiculous. The President has no business interfering in NYS
coourts or DOJ prosecutions. Plus trump deserves to be prosecuted in
all 4 locations and probably more.
"“Had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought out
indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him,” he added. “Why?
Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I
pardoned the little guy. And, number two, it’s not going to get resolved
before the election. It’s not going to have an impact before the
election. And, frankly, the country doesn’t want to have to go through
prosecuting a former president.”"
You don't decide whether to prosecute based on how the public feels
about it. That's what "law and order" is about.
Sad. sad, sad. It might something to do with who he knows and shares
coffee with. Same reason Gov. Hogan would not make even Maryland
Democrats happy, even though he was good as govenor.
To lighten the mood: http://youtu.be/Aoh7j46xleE

Post by micky
(Although I heard the tail end of a story a day or two ago where he said some bad stuff. Maybe that's what you're referring to John T. I had time to hear the negative tone of the pundit, but I have no idea what Romney said. "

I liked Romney as he had been a business man and a governor but people
said with Romney care he was not much different from Obama. They were
right and he was what I call now a vulture capitalist.

[Skid Marks]

Post by micky
I think pension plans should be first in the bankruptcy distribution
order, ahead of everything or something close to that. I don't know how
employers get away with raiding the pension fund, or even underfunding
it. it's almost outright theft.
When I was working, none of the places had a pension plan and I was okay
with that so I wouldn't have to worry that they would steal it from me.

The 401k with matching contribution solves all that.

An real-time app that tracks Nancy & Paul Piglosi's insider trades
would be helpful too.

[Akidasar]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:53:55 -0400

Post by Ed P
I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong.

I know when you thought there were two separate parties you were wrong.

Looks like you needed to do some basic homework on how things work.

[T]

Post by T
He calls your politics Fascism too.  Surprise!
If you decide to change from government control of
industry to government ownership, I will revise my
evaluation of you and call you a communist.  That is
the only difference between communists and fascists.
¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong.  The Republican party
was very good at one time but went to crap about 2015/2016 and never
recovered.

You were voting for a watered down democrat. RINO's
are not republicans.

Do you not wish the electorate had a choice? Must
everyone all mach to the drum beat of the same different
drummer? Uniparty or bust?

[Ed P]

Post by T
He calls your politics Fascism too.  Surprise!
If you decide to change from government control of
industry to government ownership, I will revise my
evaluation of you and call you a communist.  That is
the only difference between communists and fascists.
¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong.  The Republican
party was very good at one time but went to crap about 2015/2016 and
never recovered.

You were voting for a watered down democrat.  RINO's
are not republicans.
Do you not wish the electorate had a choice?  Must
everyone all mach to the drum beat of the same different
drummer?  Uniparty or bust?

Nope, two or more choices are good. The guy that wants a Unified Reich
is not my choice though. I'd choose someone other than Biden if ther
was a better choice.

[Judge Arthur Enron]

Post by T
He calls your politics Fascism too.  Surprise!
If you decide to change from government control of
industry to government ownership, I will revise my
evaluation of you and call you a communist.  That is
the only difference between communists and fascists.
¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong.  The Republican
party was very good at one time but went to crap about 2015/2016
and never recovered.

You were voting for a watered down democrat.  RINO's
are not republicans.
Do you not wish the electorate had a choice?  Must
everyone all mach to the drum beat of the same different
drummer?  Uniparty or bust?

Nope, two or more choices are good.  The guy that wants a Unified
Reich is not my choice though.  I'd choose someone other than Biden if
ther was a better choice.

The current US government is using lawfare to select the next government.

[Akidasar]

On Tue, 21 May 2024 21:02:20 -0400

Post by Ed P

Post by T
He calls your politics Fascism too.  Surprise!
If you decide to change from government control of
industry to government ownership, I will revise my
evaluation of you and call you a communist.  That is
the only difference between communists and fascists.
¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

I guess when I voted for Republicans I was wrong.  The Republican
party was very good at one time but went to crap about 2015/2016
and never recovered.

You were voting for a watered down democrat.  RINO's
are not republicans.
Do you not wish the electorate had a choice?  Must
everyone all mach to the drum beat of the same different
drummer?  Uniparty or bust?

Nope, two or more choices are good.

All nations with multi-party systems have defaulted to state control.

Divide and conquer, fool.

Post by Ed P
The guy that wants a Unified
Reich is not my choice though. I'd choose someone other than Biden
if ther was a better choice.

How could there ever be a worse choice.

Wake up, clown. Xiden is looting this nation blind. And you helped him
get there.

Shame on you.

[T]

The guy that wants a Unified Reich is not my choice though

What absolute nonsense.

[Ed P]

Post by T

The guy that wants a Unified Reich is not my choice though

What absolute nonsense.

That is what he said, why is it nonsense? He said he will be a dictator
for a day, but probably won't stop there.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/21/1252653231/trump-unified-reich-antisemitism-truth-social

This is about your guy

https://action.lincolnproject.us/cant_happen_here_ad?utm_campaign=051624_can_t_happen&utm_medium=email&utm_source=lincolnproject

[Frank]

Post by T

The guy that wants a Unified Reich is not my choice though

What absolute nonsense.

That is what he said, why is it nonsense?  He said he will be a dictator
for a day, but probably won't stop there.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/21/1252653231/trump-unified-reich-antisemitism-truth-social
This is about your guy
https://action.lincolnproject.us/cant_happen_here_ad?utm_campaign=051624_can_t_happen&utm_medium=email&utm_source=lincolnproject

You, like many others, are a dupe of our leftist media.

[Ed P]

Post by Frank

Post by T

The guy that wants a Unified Reich is not my choice though

What absolute nonsense.

That is what he said, why is it nonsense?  He said he will be a
dictator for a day, but probably won't stop there.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/21/1252653231/trump-unified-reich-antisemitism-truth-social
This is about your guy
https://action.lincolnproject.us/cant_happen_here_ad?utm_campaign=051624_can_t_happen&utm_medium=email&utm_source=lincolnproject

You, like many others, are a dupe of our leftist media.

Maybe, but better that duped by Trump. He does not care about you or
me, only himself.

[Skid Marks]

Maybe, but better that duped by Trump.  He does not care about you
or me, only himself.

You keep forgetting that it was the tyrannical Biden Democrats who
forced untested vaxxxcines on We The People.

[Baxter]

Post by Skid Marks

Maybe, but better that duped by Trump.  He does not care about you
or me, only himself.

You keep forgetting that it was the tyrannical Biden Democrats who
forced untested vaxxxcines on We The People.

Oh, bullshit with the "tyranny". The vacines WERE tested, and nobody held
a gun to my (or your) head forcing you to get a vacine.

[Frank]

Post by Baxter

Post by Skid Marks

Maybe, but better that duped by Trump.  He does not care about you
or me, only himself.

You keep forgetting that it was the tyrannical Biden Democrats who
forced untested vaxxxcines on We The People.

Oh, bullshit with the "tyranny". The vacines WERE tested, and nobody held
a gun to my (or your) head forcing you to get a vacine.

Tell that to the cops and military that lost their jobs.

[fj]

Post by Ed P

Post by T

The guy that wants a Unified Reich is not my choice though

What absolute nonsense.

That is what he said, why is it nonsense? He said he will be a
dictator for a day, but probably won't stop there.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/21/1252653231/trump-unified-reich-antisemit
ism-truth-social

NPR is a lefty gossip rag these days. They still have some good people
there but the leftist slant is very disappointing. They're so bad they're
even making moves to the "paywall" distribution model.

Post by Ed P
This is about your guy
https://action.lincolnproject.us/cant_happen_here_ad?utm_campaign=05162
4_can_t_happen&utm_medium=email&utm_source=lincolnproject

Same credibility as Hillary's Steele Dossier.

Inside the Lincoln Project’s Secrets, Side Deals and Scandals
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/us/politics/lincoln-project-weaver.html

Trump said nothing, it was a video.

"The video starts with text heralding a "TRUMP LANDSLIDE" along with a
voiceover saying "What happens if Donald Trump wins?" It then scrolls past
a headline which reads: "Industrial strength and production had
significantly increased driven by the creation of a unified Reich"."

Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have spent 4
years advancing trannyism and denouncing national pride (and Obama for 8
years before the 1st Trump interval), maybe Trump isn't so wrong after
all.

[Baxter]

Post by fj

Post by Ed P

Post by T

The guy that wants a Unified Reich is not my choice though

What absolute nonsense.

That is what he said, why is it nonsense? He said he will be a
dictator for a day, but probably won't stop there.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/21/1252653231/trump-unified-reich-antisemi
t ism-truth-social

NPR is a lefty gossip rag these days. They still have some good
people there but the leftist slant is very disappointing. They're so
bad they're even making moves to the "paywall" distribution model.

Post by Ed P
This is about your guy
https://action.lincolnproject.us/cant_happen_here_ad?utm_campaign=0516
2 4_can_t_happen&utm_medium=email&utm_source=lincolnproject

Same credibility as Hillary's Steele Dossier.
Inside the Lincoln Project’s Secrets, Side Deals and Scandals
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/us/politics/lincoln-project-weaver.h
tml
Trump said nothing, it was a video.
"The video starts with text heralding a "TRUMP LANDSLIDE" along with a
voiceover saying "What happens if Donald Trump wins?" It then scrolls
past a headline which reads: "Industrial strength and production had
significantly increased driven by the creation of a unified Reich"."
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have spent
4 years advancing trannyism and denouncing national pride (and Obama
for 8 years before the 1st Trump interval), maybe Trump isn't so wrong
after all.

You have the credibility of a dung beetle.

[h***@ccanoemail.com]

Post by Baxter
You have the credibility of a dung beetle.

Your mother was a hampster
and your father smelt of elderberries !

John T.

[zed]

Post by Baxter

Post by fj

Post by Ed P

Post by T

The guy that wants a Unified Reich is not my choice though

What absolute nonsense.

That is what he said, why is it nonsense? He said he will be a
dictator for a day, but probably won't stop there.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/21/1252653231/trump-unified-reich-antisemi
t ism-truth-social

NPR is a lefty gossip rag these days. They still have some good
people there but the leftist slant is very disappointing. They're so
bad they're even making moves to the "paywall" distribution model.

Post by Ed P
This is about your guy
https://action.lincolnproject.us/cant_happen_here_ad?utm_campaign=0516
2 4_can_t_happen&utm_medium=email&utm_source=lincolnproject

Same credibility as Hillary's Steele Dossier.
Inside the Lincoln Project’s Secrets, Side Deals and Scandals
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/us/politics/lincoln-project-weaver.h
tml
Trump said nothing, it was a video.
"The video starts with text heralding a "TRUMP LANDSLIDE" along with a
voiceover saying "What happens if Donald Trump wins?" It then scrolls
past a headline which reads: "Industrial strength and production had
significantly increased driven by the creation of a unified Reich"."
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have spent
4 years advancing trannyism and denouncing national pride (and Obama
for 8 years before the 1st Trump interval), maybe Trump isn't so wrong
after all.

You have the credibility of a dung beetle.

You have the memory of a pigeon.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by fj
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have spent 4
years advancing trannyism

Is your sexual identity so weak that you fear it will change?

If not, what do you care what happens in other people's pants?

Post by fj
and denouncing national pride

I think you mean "jingoism" rather than "pride".

[Skid Marks]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by fj
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have spent 4
years advancing trannyism

Is your sexual identity so weak that you fear it will change?
If not, what do you care what happens in other people's pants?

Evolution requires heterosexuals. Anal sex just doesn't work.
C'mon man, follow the science.

Did you ever wonder what (or who) is causing this alleged scamdemic of
gender confusion?

[Baxter]

Post by Skid Marks

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by fj
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have
spent 4 years advancing trannyism

Is your sexual identity so weak that you fear it will change?
If not, what do you care what happens in other people's pants?

Evolution requires heterosexuals. Anal sex just doesn't work.
C'mon man, follow the science.

Yet same-sex occurs in lots, if not most, species.

Post by Skid Marks
Did you ever wonder what (or who) is causing this alleged scamdemic of
gender confusion?

None of YOUR "science" has yielded a cause. Every thing you claim as a
cause is not.

[don]

Post by Baxter

Post by Skid Marks

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by fj
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have
spent 4 years advancing trannyism

Is your sexual identity so weak that you fear it will change?
If not, what do you care what happens in other people's pants?

Evolution requires heterosexuals. Anal sex just doesn't work.
C'mon man, follow the science.

Yet same-sex occurs in lots, if not most, species.

Nature's way of population control. Think about it.

Post by Baxter

Post by Skid Marks
Did you ever wonder what (or who) is causing this alleged scamdemic of
gender confusion?

None of YOUR "science" has yielded a cause. Every thing you claim as a
cause is not.

Your "science" can't support gay at birth, so where does that leave us?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by don

Post by Baxter

Post by Skid Marks

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by fj
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have
spent 4 years advancing trannyism

Is your sexual identity so weak that you fear it will change?
If not, what do you care what happens in other people's pants?

Evolution requires heterosexuals. Anal sex just doesn't work.
C'mon man, follow the science.

Yet same-sex occurs in lots, if not most, species.

Nature's way of population control. Think about it.

Nature's way of population control is predation or starvation.

Not every single organism needs to reproduce for a species to be an
evolutionary success.

Evolution has nothing to do with individuals and everything to do with
species.

Post by don

Post by Baxter

Post by Skid Marks
Did you ever wonder what (or who) is causing this alleged scamdemic of
gender confusion?

None of YOUR "science" has yielded a cause. Every thing you claim as a
cause is not.

Your "science" can't support gay at birth, so where does that leave us?

The "scamdemic" is more related to greater cultural acceptance of
people who aren't just like everybody else.

Other cultures have been more accepting of the things that are just
now become accepted in Western culture.

[don]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by fj
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have spent 4
years advancing trannyism

Is your sexual identity so weak that you fear it will change?

You seem defensive. Is that your problem? You can't decide if you're
male or female?

Post by Cindy Hamilton
If not, what do you care what happens in other people's pants?

Mental illness should be treated, not shoved in the faces of
uncontaminated children and disinterested others. Keep your hands and
gay activism off kids.

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by fj
and denouncing national pride

I think you mean "jingoism" rather than "pride".

Why is the jingoism of a gay pride month necessary?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by don

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by fj
Since Biden and his destructive Democrat termito communists have spent 4
years advancing trannyism

Is your sexual identity so weak that you fear it will change?

You seem defensive. Is that your problem? You can't decide if you're
male or female?

I'm female. Always have been.

Post by don

Post by Cindy Hamilton
If not, what do you care what happens in other people's pants?

Mental illness should be treated, not shoved in the faces of
uncontaminated children and disinterested others. Keep your hands and
gay activism off kids.

It's not mental illness.

When, exactly, do you think children develop their sexual identity?

Post by don

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by fj
and denouncing national pride

I think you mean "jingoism" rather than "pride".

Why is the jingoism of a gay pride month necessary?

To make up for centuries of them having to live in hiding.

[Bob F]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues to be
a major financial burden for many parents. They found that placing two
kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than the typical rent,
on average, in every state in the US, and the District of Columbia last
year. The price tag exceeded annual typical mortgage payments in 45
states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and average
the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up their
prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more subsidies,
lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families are
not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more-
than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Here is an idea.  One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances.  The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even.  And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

You are volunteering to stay home and take care of your kids?

We did that and you call me a fascist.   Would your leader Trump approve?

[Akidasar]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:59:55 -0700

Post by Bob F
You are volunteering to stay home and take care of your kids?

You killed and ate yours again?

[Ralph Mowery]

Post by T
Here is an idea. One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances. The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even. And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

That is what we did. Looking at child care cost and what my wife could
make we decided it was not worth it to pay the child care most of her
wages.

[Frank]

Post by Ralph Mowery

Post by T
Here is an idea. One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances. The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even. And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

That is what we did. Looking at child care cost and what my wife could
make we decided it was not worth it to pay the child care most of her
wages.

I knew a woman PhD chemist that did this. Her husband was a lawyer and
they both made good money but with child care and her other costs of
working figured it was better for the family not to work for the extra
money. I also knew another that went back to work when the kids left
home. Also knew of a couple of husbands that stayed home to raise the
kids. One of them decided he would rather become the mother but that is
another story.

[Baxter]

Post by T

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare
costs more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some
groups demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues
to be a major financial burden for many parents. They found that
placing two kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than
the typical rent, on average, in every state in the US, and the
District of Columbia last year. The price tag exceeded annual typical
mortgage payments in 45 states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and
average the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up
their prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more
subsidies, lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and
supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families
are not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more
- than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Here is an idea. One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances. The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even. And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

Ah, the old Patriachy bullshit. Women are just incubators and
babysitters and not actually human.

[Akidasar]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:57:57 -0000 (UTC)

Post by Baxter
Women are just incubators and
babysitters and not actually human.

Non-human incubators is a dystopian demotarded wetdream.

[Bob F]

Post by Baxter

Post by T

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare
costs more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some
groups demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues
to be a major financial burden for many parents. They found that
placing two kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than
the typical rent, on average, in every state in the US, and the
District of Columbia last year. The price tag exceeded annual typical
mortgage payments in 45 states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and
average the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up
their prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more
subsidies, lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and
supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families
are not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more
- than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Here is an idea. One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances. The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even. And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

Ah, the old Patriachy bullshit. Women are just incubators and
babysitters and not actually human.

Hearing lots of that from Repubs these days. Did you see that graduation
speech at some right wing school yesterday?

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 18 May 2024 15:11:00 -0700, Bob F

Post by Bob F

Post by Baxter

Post by T

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare
costs more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some
groups demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues
to be a major financial burden for many parents. They found that
placing two kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than
the typical rent, on average, in every state in the US, and the
District of Columbia last year. The price tag exceeded annual typical
mortgage payments in 45 states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and
average the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up
their prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more
subsidies, lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and
supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families
are not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more
- than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Here is an idea. One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances. The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even. And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

Ah, the old Patriachy bullshit. Women are just incubators and
babysitters and not actually human.

That's not fair. It's not even true. They are good for sex too.

Post by Bob F
Hearing lots of that from Repubs these days. Did you see that graduation
speech at some right wing school yesterday?

I missed it.

[Akidasar]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 15:11:00 -0700

Post by Bob F
Did you see that graduation
speech at some right wing school yesterday?

Did you blow out your anus sphinctering that one out?

[Clare Snyder]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Baxter

Post by Baxter

Post by T

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare
costs more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some
groups demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues
to be a major financial burden for many parents. They found that
placing two kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than
the typical rent, on average, in every state in the US, and the
District of Columbia last year. The price tag exceeded annual typical
mortgage payments in 45 states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and
average the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up
their prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more
subsidies, lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and
supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families
are not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more
- than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Here is an idea. One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances. The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even. And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

Ah, the old Patriachy bullshit. Women are just incubators and
babysitters and not actually human.

No, actually they are pretty much "superhuman"

Much of the problem with today's generation (and the last one) is they
were NOT PARENTED. The values of their parents, and THEIR parents
before them have not been passed on. They have been raised to the
lowest common denominator by (mostly) for profit daycare who are
(predominantly speaking) not expected or allowed to instill any values
in the kids. A paid day care provider is not able to discipline kids -
and in many cases isn't allowed to "love" them either - one reason why
private in-home day-care can be advantageous - but often more
expensive.

The outcome when raised by Moms who have been raised by Moms, who have
been raised by Moms - - is most often better adjusted kids who grow up
to make better life choices - and raise, in turn, better kids.

When Dan's step up tothe plate and do THEIR jobs, the outcomes are
even better.

[pothead]

Post by T

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues to be
a major financial burden for many parents. They found that placing two
kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than the typical rent,
on average, in every state in the US, and the District of Columbia last
year. The price tag exceeded annual typical mortgage payments in 45
states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and average
the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up their
prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more subsidies,
lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families are
not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more-
than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Here is an idea. One of you stay home and take care of the
house, the kids, and the finances. The money you save
will surprise you how close it is to break even. And
the quality of life will increase dramatically

That's what my husband and I agreed upon.
I was married in the early 1980's and we agreed that we wanted to raise our children rather than
toss them in daycare. This was during the D.I.N.K /Yuppie movement which was all about making money
and not having kids.

We sacrificed driving crappy cars, saving to buy a house and not hitting Disney every year.
All three of our kids turned out great and all have fantastic careers with high salaries. So now my
husband and I are enjoying the life we put off for a few years and having a great time.
Our only concern is what kind of future do our kids have?
Prices are insane.
Rents are insane.
They are discouraged because they see the American dream slipping away.

Speaking with other parents and grandparents, I hear the same story.

[vagina whisperer]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues to be
a major financial burden for many parents. They found that placing two
kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than the typical rent,
on average, in every state in the US, and the District of Columbia last
year. The price tag exceeded annual typical mortgage payments in 45
states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and average
the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up their
prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more subsidies,
lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families are
not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more-
than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

Whenever I hear someone complain about daycare costs, I remind them that
it was their orgasm. Orgasms have consequences.

[Michael Thompson]

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Yeah. Forty Years ago when we had a child under five Mom just stayed home
with the kid and I worked 12 hour days until he went into first grade, so
then she could work a job.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Michael Thompson

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Yeah. Forty Years ago when we had a child under five Mom just stayed home
with the kid and I worked 12 hour days until he went into first grade, so
then she could work a job.

Sixty-odd years ago my mother left me with the neighbor during the day.
Mom had to work because she was unmarried. We lived with her parents.

[Baxter]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Jon Brady

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Yeah. Forty Years ago when we had a child under five Mom just stayed home
with the kid and I worked 12 hour days until he went into first grade,
so then she could work a job.

In the 50's one job could support a family of 5, buy a home, and buy a car
at least every other year. not many jobs can do that now. That all ended
with Reagan's union busting.

[Akidasar]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:29:40 -0000 (UTC)

Post by Baxter
That all ended
with Reagan's union busting.

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/08/05/the-day-ronald-reagan-weakened-the-american-labor.aspx

The Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI 0.34%) began what would be the
longest and strongest secular bull market in its history a year after
Reagan broke PATCO, producing real gains of nearly 700% from 1982 to
2000, even though real corporate earnings only doubled during the same
period. These market gains -- which took place at a time when millions
of Americans were becoming stock market participants -- helped the
nation overlook a growing divide between labor and capital that only
became widely apparent following the 2007 financial crisis.

[Bob F]

Post by Akidasar
On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:29:40 -0000 (UTC)

Post by Baxter
That all ended
with Reagan's union busting.

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/08/05/the-day-ronald-reagan-weakened-the-american-labor.aspx
The Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI 0.34%) began what would be the
longest and strongest secular bull market in its history a year after
Reagan broke PATCO, producing real gains of nearly 700% from 1982 to
2000, even though real corporate earnings only doubled during the same
period. These market gains -- which took place at a time when millions
of Americans were becoming stock market participants -- helped the
nation overlook a growing divide between labor and capital that only
became widely apparent following the 2007 financial crisis.

Jep! That was the beginning of the end of the middle class, and the
biggest boost ever for the ultra rich jumping away from everyone else in
income.

[Clare Snyder]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:29:40 -0000 (UTC), Baxter

Post by Baxter

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Jon Brady

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Yeah. Forty Years ago when we had a child under five Mom just stayed home
with the kid and I worked 12 hour days until he went into first grade,
so then she could work a job.

In the 50's one job could support a family of 5, buy a home, and buy a car
at least every other year. not many jobs can do that now. That all ended
with Reagan's union busting.

That ended with families "having to have" new furniture, fancy
gadgets, and the best of everything right away.
In the '50s/'60s we grew up with ecclectic used furniture, dressers
made from orange crates, bookshelves made from recycled bricks and
boards, 6 year old used cars (one - not 2), and hand-me-down clothes
and toys. When I was about 13 I got my first bike - in peices - likely
over 20 years old - that I painted and assembled and loved until it
was handed down tomy younger brother when I got my licence - and my 8
year old $60 car (about the same situation as my first bike)

Those who are willing to do the same can live even better today than
we did then. It is not so much the high cost of living as it is the
cost of living high!!!!

[Ed P]

Post by Clare Snyder
On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:29:40 -0000 (UTC), Baxter

Post by Baxter

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Jon Brady

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Yeah. Forty Years ago when we had a child under five Mom just stayed home
with the kid and I worked 12 hour days until he went into first grade,
so then she could work a job.

In the 50's one job could support a family of 5, buy a home, and buy a car
at least every other year. not many jobs can do that now. That all ended
with Reagan's union busting.

That ended with families "having to have" new furniture, fancy
gadgets, and the best of everything right away.
In the '50s/'60s we grew up with ecclectic used furniture, dressers
made from orange crates, bookshelves made from recycled bricks and
boards, 6 year old used cars (one - not 2), and hand-me-down clothes
and toys. When I was about 13 I got my first bike - in peices - likely
over 20 years old - that I painted and assembled and loved until it
was handed down tomy younger brother when I got my licence - and my 8
year old $60 car (about the same situation as my first bike)
Those who are willing to do the same can live even better today than
we did then. It is not so much the high cost of living as it is the
cost of living high!!!!

Times are tough now for families. Have you seen the price of new cell
phones? If you have two or three kids that sure runs up the expenses.

I was able to buy a house ($10,600) when I was 20, a few months before
we got married. Stayed home while some of our friends were going on
cruises and such. Kids came first. It was some years before we had two
used cars. Priced from $15 to $100.

My grandmother bought us our bedroom set as a wedding gift. Still looks
great 58 years and three houses later.

[Clare Snyder]

Post by Ed P

Post by Clare Snyder
On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:29:40 -0000 (UTC), Baxter

Post by Baxter

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Jon Brady

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Yeah. Forty Years ago when we had a child under five Mom just stayed home
with the kid and I worked 12 hour days until he went into first grade,
so then she could work a job.

In the 50's one job could support a family of 5, buy a home, and buy a car
at least every other year. not many jobs can do that now. That all ended
with Reagan's union busting.

That ended with families "having to have" new furniture, fancy
gadgets, and the best of everything right away.
In the '50s/'60s we grew up with ecclectic used furniture, dressers
made from orange crates, bookshelves made from recycled bricks and
boards, 6 year old used cars (one - not 2), and hand-me-down clothes
and toys. When I was about 13 I got my first bike - in peices - likely
over 20 years old - that I painted and assembled and loved until it
was handed down tomy younger brother when I got my licence - and my 8
year old $60 car (about the same situation as my first bike)
Those who are willing to do the same can live even better today than
we did then. It is not so much the high cost of living as it is the
cost of living high!!!!

Times are tough now for families. Have you seen the price of new cell
phones? If you have two or three kids that sure runs up the expenses.

The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

Post by Ed P
I was able to buy a house ($10,600) when I was 20, a few months before
we got married. Stayed home while some of our friends were going on
cruises and such. Kids came first. It was some years before we had two
used cars. Priced from $15 to $100.
My grandmother bought us our bedroom set as a wedding gift. Still looks
great 58 years and three houses later.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

[Judge Arthur Enron]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Back in the good ol' days, we didn't have millions of feral illegal
invaders. Stolen elections have consequences.


Horrifying Discovery: Mobile ‘Rape Dungeon’ Uncovered with Cage,
Condoms, and Children’s Toys – Suspected Serial Rapist Illegal
Immigrant Arrested

An illegal immigrant from Mexico has been ensnared by the long arm of
justice after being caught red-handed in what authorities have
described as a mobile ‘rape dungeon.’

Eduardo Sarabia, an illegal migrant from Mexico, has been arrested and
accused of operating a mobile ‘rape dungeon’ within a modified 2015
Ford Transit van. This horrifying case unfolded near the Angeles
National Forest in California, where Sarabia was apprehended by police
during an alleged sexual assault on a 26-year-old woman.

"https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/horrifying-discovery-mobile-rape-dungeon-uncovered-cage-condoms/"

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 24 10:42:29 UTC, Judge Arthur Enron

Post by Judge Arthur Enron

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Back in the good ol' days, we didn't have millions of feral illegal
invaders. Stolen elections have consequences.

No parent wants their child to have a phone to protect them from illegal
aliens. Parents are NOT worried about that. Grow up.

Post by Judge Arthur Enron
Horrifying Discovery: Mobile ‘Rape Dungeon’ Uncovered with Cage,
Condoms, and Children’s Toys – Suspected Serial Rapist Illegal
Immigrant Arrested
An illegal immigrant from Mexico has been ensnared by the long arm of
justice after being caught red-handed in what authorities have
described as a mobile ‘rape dungeon.’
Eduardo Sarabia, an illegal migrant from Mexico, has been arrested and
accused of operating a mobile ‘rape dungeon’ within a modified 2015
Ford Transit van. This horrifying case unfolded near the Angeles
National Forest in California, where Sarabia was apprehended by police
during an alleged sexual assault on a 26-year-old woman.
"https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/horrifying-discovery-mobile-rape-dungeon-uncovered-cage-condoms/"

[Ed P]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.

I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc. Cannot imagine being a teacher today.

[Bob F]

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc.  Cannot imagine being a teacher today.

There have been a number of articles published recently about how kids
benefit from not being able to use their phones in school, and about how
schools are accomplishing that.

[Ed P]

Post by Bob F

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best
phone available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500
phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class
to text friends, call mom, etc.  Cannot imagine being a teacher today.

There have been a number of articles published recently about how kids
benefit from not being able to use their phones in school, and about how
schools are accomplishing that.

Just read in Reader's Digest about the incidence of nearsightedness
(myopia) increasing in recent years. Gave an explanation of how the eye
grows. So, what is the cause? Kids not outside in sunlight enough.

[Ben Verified - ✅]

Post by Ed P
Just read in Reader's Digest about the incidence of nearsightedness
(myopia) increasing in recent years.  Gave an explanation of how the
eye grows.  So, what is the cause?  Kids not outside in sunlight enough.

But the BigPharmaInc "experts" tell us to slop on the sunscreen if you
dare to go outdoors. Maybe the kids are putting sunscreen in their
eyes too?

[Clare Snyder]

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc. Cannot imagine being a teacher today.

One of many reasons I abandoned THAT profession 50 years ago

[Bob F]

Post by Clare Snyder

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc. Cannot imagine being a teacher today.

One of many reasons I abandoned THAT profession 50 years ago

Somehow, I doubt that that was your reason.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 09:12:14 -0400, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc.

I would think that would be easy to stop. They have to look at the
phone or use their thumbs so I don't see how they could hide what
they're doing from the teacher. She can collect the phones and give
them back after class. Of course the "student" could then spend the
hour doodling, but doodling's probably not as interesting as talking ot
a friend.

Post by Ed P
Cannot imagine being a teacher today.

[Ed P]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 09:12:14 -0400, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc.

I would think that would be easy to stop. They have to look at the
phone or use their thumbs so I don't see how they could hide what
they're doing from the teacher. She can collect the phones and give
them back after class. Of course the "student" could then spend the
hour doodling, but doodling's probably not as interesting as talking ot
a friend.

When I was in school, the nuns would swat you with the yardstick if you
took out a phone. Times have changed. Seems like teachers no longer
have the control like in the past.

[Frank]

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 09:12:14 -0400, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc.

I would think that would be easy to stop.   They have to look at the
phone or use their thumbs so I don't see how they could hide what
they're doing from the teacher.  She can collect the phones and give
them back after class.   Of course the "student" could then spend the
hour doodling, but doodling's probably not as interesting as talking ot
a friend.

When I was in school, the nuns would swat you with the yardstick if you
took out a phone. Times have changed.   Seems like teachers no longer
have the control like in the past.

There were no cell phones when we were kids. We also knew our pronouns
and what bathrooms to use.

US schools are ruined as social laboratories.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 May 2024 13:02:37 -0400, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 09:12:14 -0400, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc.

I would think that would be easy to stop. They have to look at the
phone or use their thumbs so I don't see how they could hide what
they're doing from the teacher. She can collect the phones and give
them back after class. Of course the "student" could then spend the
hour doodling, but doodling's probably not as interesting as talking ot
a friend.

When I was in school, the nuns would swat you with the yardstick if you
took out a phone.

You must have had an awfully long cord.

I can just see you letting out a yard at a time as you walk to school,
and if you took a school bus, you probably had to sit in the back with
an open window.

Post by Ed P
Times have changed. Seems like teachers no longer
have the control like in the past.

[Bob F]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 09:12:14 -0400, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc.

I would think that would be easy to stop. They have to look at the
phone or use their thumbs so I don't see how they could hide what
they're doing from the teacher. She can collect the phones and give
them back after class. Of course the "student" could then spend the
hour doodling, but doodling's probably not as interesting as talking ot
a friend.

Post by Ed P
Cannot imagine being a teacher today.

Here's one of the more successful control systems.

https://time.com/6959626/yondr-schools-cell-phones/

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 May 2024 13:13:51 -0700, Bob F

Post by Bob F

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 09:12:14 -0400, Ed P

Post by Ed P

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:19 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
The most expensive cell phone I've owned in the last 15? years cost me
less than $100. My last 4 or 5 have been 100% free (hand-me-downs from
friends, customers, and family) The data plan is a different story but
not necessary - particularly since I'm retired I COULD get away with
WiFi and I wouldn't NEED the high speed internet or the "fat" TV Cable
package - and KIDS don't NEEDcell phones

I thought it was largely that the parents want to be able to reach them.
(Even though for 1000's of years you couldn't reach your children most
of the day, without a lot of trouble if at all.)

Yes, once a kid goes to kindergarten he needs the latest and best phone
available. Only terrible parents would but the kids a cheap $500 phone.
I've heard stories about kids, mostly teens, using the phone in class to
text friends, call mom, etc.

I would think that would be easy to stop. They have to look at the
phone or use their thumbs so I don't see how they could hide what
they're doing from the teacher. She can collect the phones and give
them back after class. Of course the "student" could then spend the
hour doodling, but doodling's probably not as interesting as talking ot
a friend.

Post by Ed P
Cannot imagine being a teacher today.

Here's one of the more successful control systems.
https://time.com/6959626/yondr-schools-cell-phones/

$30 does seems like a lot for a bag.

It's so hard for me to relate to this. We were all good boys and girls
and if we weren't supposed to use cellphone, we wouldn't have done it.
No one in my elementary school ever teased the fat girl, the ugly girl**
or the girl who stuttered. No one even snickered or giggled when it was
their time to recite and it took each of them forever. We all just
waited patiently and quietly. JHS and HS were just about the same.

I never saw even the start of a fight. In JHS coming back from some
outside gym class activity, a guy my age but who seemed to actually have
muscles did something (walked too close to me?) or said something that
was clearly meant to intimidate me, for what long-term goal I don't
know. I told the gym teacher and that was the end of it.

The worse thing I can remember is something I did myself. In the 8th
grade the teacher said to take your seats and I asked, Where should we
take them? That's not much.

The idea of using the phone when the teacher said we shouldn't is so
hard to relate to, and using locked bags seems like a way to tell
children that they can't control themselves and they have to be
physically restrained. What will happen when one of them wants to steal
something and they've been convinced they have no self-restraint? What
will happen when a boy wants sex with a girl and there is no $30 bag to
put him in?


**I saw the ugly girl at a 25th high school reunion. Even though I had
moved in the 6th grade, I went in order to see the 29 kids I spent
grades 1-6 with and 6 of them were there. She was one. It was hard to
interrogate her about being ugly and stupid without insulting her, but I
succeeded. (I came at it indirectly.) Apparently her mother never
washed her hair and she looked like a witch. She eventually knew that
herself, long before our conversation. She also wasn't stupid afaict.
She'd lived in France for a year or two and spoke French, and she said
she was very very shy and that apparently was why it took her forever to
answer the teachers' questions.

Never got to talk to the other two girls. There have been some pretty
effective remedies for stuttering since high school, quite some time
after Biden managed to pretty much cure himself. Maybe one of them
worked for her.

[Clare Snyder]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:24:28 -0700, Michael Thompson

Post by Michael Thompson

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Yeah. Forty Years ago when we had a child under five Mom just stayed home
with the kid and I worked 12 hour days until he went into first grade, so
then she could work a job.

My wife went back to work part time evenings and weekends when the
kids got a bit older - working (as a nurse) when I could be home
monitoring the kids - and she could sleep while the kids were at
school - and then gave up front-line nursing and took a less
demanding job with civilized hours - making less money but trading it
for quality of life - -

[h***@ccanoemail.com]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Jon Brady

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Breaking news < not really >
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Quebec raising public daycare prices in new year.
Quebec families with children attending public daycares (CPE) will
soon have to pay a little more each day.
The Family Ministry confirmed daily prices for subsidized daycare
will go up to $9.10 per day starting Jan. 1.
That's 25 cents more per day compared to the current reduced
contribution rate of $8.85.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -- - -

Wait a minute ! $ 10. / day daycare ? Huh ?
.. must be those big child-care-factories where the little tots
do child labour tasks and are fed crayon-stubs for snack time.
Nope - the Quebec daycares are pretty good - subsidized by
a few pennies per bottle of booze or pack of smokes or
lotto ticket.
John T.

[Bob F]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Jon Brady

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Breaking news < not really >
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Quebec raising public daycare prices in new year.
Quebec families with children attending public daycares (CPE) will
soon have to pay a little more each day.
The Family Ministry confirmed daily prices for subsidized daycare
will go up to $9.10 per day starting Jan. 1.
That's 25 cents more per day compared to the current reduced
contribution rate of $8.85.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -- - -
Wait a minute ! $ 10. / day daycare ? Huh ?
.. must be those big child-care-factories where the little tots
do child labour tasks and are fed crayon-stubs for snack time.
Nope - the Quebec daycares are pretty good - subsidized by
a few pennies per bottle of booze or pack of smokes or
lotto ticket.
John T.

Without the GOP, we could do that too.

[h***@ccanoemail.com]

Post by Bob F

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Jon Brady

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.

Breaking news < not really >
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Quebec raising public daycare prices in new year.
Quebec families with children attending public daycares (CPE) will
soon have to pay a little more each day.
The Family Ministry confirmed daily prices for subsidized daycare
will go up to $9.10 per day starting Jan. 1.
That's 25 cents more per day compared to the current reduced
contribution rate of $8.85.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -- - -
Wait a minute ! $ 10. / day daycare ? Huh ?
.. must be those big child-care-factories where the little tots
do child labour tasks and are fed crayon-stubs for snack time.
Nope - the Quebec daycares are pretty good - subsidized by
a few pennies per bottle of booze or pack of smokes or
lotto ticket.
John T.

Without the GOP, we could do that too.

Yep. Quite easily.
and the only people who would complain -
- would be the privileged class ..
But - who's voting for Bernie ?
John T.

[rbowman]

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Yep. Quite easily.
and the only people who would complain -
- would be the privileged class ..
But - who's voting for Bernie ?

Hard to vote for Bernie when the DNC threw him under the bus -- twice. He
lost my respect when he knuckled under the second time.

[Clare Snyder]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Jon Brady

Post by Jon Brady
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — A new study shows your child's daycare costs
more than rent and mortgage in almost every state. It has some groups
demanding change.
Child Care Aware of America says in a reportthat childcare continues to be
a major financial burden for many parents. They found that placing two
kids at a childcare center cost at least 25% more than the typical rent,
on average, in every state in the US, and the District of Columbia last
year. The price tag exceeded annual typical mortgage payments in 45
states.
According to their data the average annual childcare price for two
children in Tennessee, like an infant and a 4-year-old, is more than
$22,374. The average cost of housing sits at just over $17,388 and average
the average cost of tuition sits at $10,889.

That's why in MANY cases a family is farther ahead to remain a single
income family through the child rearing years. The stay at home parent
saves childcare costs, housekeeping costs, and reduces food costs
because home cooking can save a LOT on groceries. When we had our 2
girls (13 months apart) 40+ years ago we were farther ahead with my
wife - a nurse - staying home while I worked as a meckanic. Would have
been farther ahead if she worked and I stayed at home but she was
(possibly) afraid I would have killed them!!
There were MANY times when I got home she just said "here they are -
YOU look after them for a while" while she left to go grocery
shopping, or just for a walk / break from the kids.

Post by Jon Brady
The median income for a single parent family is $32,374, which means
childcare would use 36-40% of a single parent's income.
Child Care Aware says we're seeing these high prices because many
childcare providers have closed their doors since 2020 or jacked up their
prices to retain their workers and maintain a safe environment.

The insanity of Doug Ford's "$10 a day daycare" in Ontario is second
only to his "Buck a Beer" election campain and hid elimination af
passenger car registration fees in screwing up Ontario's budget - and
is driving people out of the Day-care business - - -.
Quality day care HAS TO cost significant money. The people charged
with looking after your little darlings/brats NEED to be adequately
paid, and the cost of rent/mortgage also directly increases the cost
to the providers - as does the increase in the cost of food, energy,
and EVERYTHING ELSE involved in providing the service.

Post by Jon Brady
The nonprofit recommends that lawmakers prioritize childcare in every
state and increase funding for the system so families have more subsidies,
lowered costs of childcare, and increased access and supply.
They say this is a challenge should not be ignored so that families are
not priced out of the system.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/a-new-study-shows-daycare-costs-more-
than-rent-and-mortgage-in-almost-every-state

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 19 May 2024 17:35:47 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
. The people charged
with looking after your little darlings/brats NEED to be adequately
paid, and the cost of rent/mortgage also directly increases the cost
to the providers - as does the increase in the cost of food,

They're small. They shouldn't eat much. $10 is more than enough.

Post by Clare Snyder
energy,
and EVERYTHING ELSE involved in providing the service.

[Clare Snyder]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 19 May 2024 17:35:47 -0400, Clare Snyder

Post by Clare Snyder
. The people charged
with looking after your little darlings/brats NEED to be adequately
paid, and the cost of rent/mortgage also directly increases the cost
to the providers - as does the increase in the cost of food,

They're small. They shouldn't eat much. $10 is more than enough.

Post by Clare Snyder
energy,
and EVERYTHING ELSE involved in providing the service.

A good friend ran home based day care and she was surprized how much
food and snacks ran - - -