Deal Elon My accomplishements

Post by Ed P
Dear Elon,
Below are the 5 bullet points you requested for what I accomplished last
week.
1. I made breakfast every day 2. I put in a load of laundry on
Tuesday.
3. Also on Tuesday, the cleaning lady took them out of the dryer and
folded them. I paid her 4. I made dinner a few nights.
5. I put gas in my car. While at it, I checked tire pressures
Now that I submitted them, can I watch TV tonight? I'm glad you asked
for this. Takes me back to third grade when I had to have my homework
done to be able to watch TV. My mother would be proud of you for
keeping up the tradition.

Obviously you didn't work in an industry with daily or weekly standups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_meeting

"The older Scrum Guide (2017) suggested team members briefly (a maximum of
one minute per team member) address three questions as input to this
planning:

What did I do yesterday that helped the development team meet the sprint
goal?
What will I do today to help the development team meet the sprint goal?
Do I see any impediment that prevents me or the development team from
meeting the sprint goal?"

Okay, I get it. Government employees, whom we are paying for, shouldn't
have to answer embarrassing questions about what they've accomplished
lately.

Cindy Hamilton

2025-02-25 10:03:18 UTC

Obviously you didn't work in an industry with daily or weekly standups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_meeting
"The older Scrum Guide (2017) suggested team members briefly (a maximum of
one minute per team member) address three questions as input to this
What did I do yesterday that helped the development team meet the sprint
goal?
What will I do today to help the development team meet the sprint goal?
Do I see any impediment that prevents me or the development team from
meeting the sprint goal?"
Okay, I get it. Government employees, whom we are paying for, shouldn't
have to answer embarrassing questions about what they've accomplished
lately.

I wasn't a government employee and we didn't have daily or weekly
standups. Of course, a company with 35 employees scarcely needs
that.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Ed P

2025-02-25 13:57:38 UTC

Post by rbowman
Okay, I get it. Government employees, whom we are paying for, shouldn't
have to answer embarrassing questions about what they've accomplished
lately.

I wasn't a government employee and we didn't have daily or weekly
standups. Of course, a company with 35 employees scarcely needs
that.

We had a 5 to 10 minute meeting with the supervisors on Friday at the
shift change. It was not about what was accomplished, it was what will
be happening in the next week so everyone knows of any changes or
problems coming up.

If someone was not doing their job, it was well known at the time. A
well run organization knows what is going on.

h***@ccanoemail.com

2025-02-25 15:14:33 UTC

Post by Ed P

Post by rbowman
Okay, I get it. Government employees, whom we are paying for, shouldn't
have to answer embarrassing questions about what they've accomplished
lately.

I wasn't a government employee and we didn't have daily or weekly
standups. Of course, a company with 35 employees scarcely needs
that.

We had a 5 to 10 minute meeting with the supervisors on Friday at the
shift change. It was not about what was accomplished, it was what will
be happening in the next week so everyone knows of any changes or
problems coming up.
If someone was not doing their job, it was well known at the time. A
well run organization knows what is going on.

It would be interesting to know what the timesheets look like
for the government employees who are involved in Musk's
initiative. Big companies often use enterprise software suites
like SAP, which require that employees complete their weekly
timesheets using various Project #s ; Task #s ; etc
to assign their work hours toward. Managers have access to all
this data to produce graphs & reports and analyse their departments'
performance and Project accomplishments ..
Musk would know this, of course ..
John T.

Cindy Hamilton

2025-02-25 15:43:16 UTC

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com

Post by Ed P

Post by rbowman
Okay, I get it. Government employees, whom we are paying for, shouldn't
have to answer embarrassing questions about what they've accomplished
lately.

I wasn't a government employee and we didn't have daily or weekly
standups. Of course, a company with 35 employees scarcely needs
that.

We had a 5 to 10 minute meeting with the supervisors on Friday at the
shift change. It was not about what was accomplished, it was what will
be happening in the next week so everyone knows of any changes or
problems coming up.
If someone was not doing their job, it was well known at the time. A
well run organization knows what is going on.

Given that the government is not an actual business, they
conceivably could have nothing more than a simple report
of how many hours they worked each day and how many hours of
vacation or sick time they used.

It probably varies by agency.

I wonder what kind of time sheet Senators have to fill out...

--
Cindy Hamilton

Ed P

2025-02-25 16:29:08 UTC

Post by h***@ccanoemail.com

Post by Ed P

Post by rbowman
Okay, I get it. Government employees, whom we are paying for, shouldn't
have to answer embarrassing questions about what they've accomplished
lately.

I wasn't a government employee and we didn't have daily or weekly
standups. Of course, a company with 35 employees scarcely needs
that.

We had a 5 to 10 minute meeting with the supervisors on Friday at the
shift change. It was not about what was accomplished, it was what will
be happening in the next week so everyone knows of any changes or
problems coming up.
If someone was not doing their job, it was well known at the time. A
well run organization knows what is going on.

Given that the government is not an actual business, they
conceivably could have nothing more than a simple report
of how many hours they worked each day and how many hours of
vacation or sick time they used.
It probably varies by agency.
I wonder what kind of time sheet Senators have to fill out...

They are filled out by outside entities, like Fidelity, Edward Jones,
Chase Bank. They get updated statements monthly.

rbowman

2025-02-25 19:03:19 UTC

Given that the government is not an actual business, they conceivably
could have nothing more than a simple report of how many hours they
worked each day and how many hours of vacation or sick time they used.
It probably varies by agency.

And that's the crux of the problem. With no easy metrics how do you tell
if an entire department is redundant?

Cindy Hamilton

2025-02-25 19:53:21 UTC

Given that the government is not an actual business, they conceivably
could have nothing more than a simple report of how many hours they
worked each day and how many hours of vacation or sick time they used.
It probably varies by agency.

And that's the crux of the problem.

I don't expect every agency to be the same. In a business, the
front office has very different metrics (if any) than the
manufacturing department.

Post by rbowman
With no easy metrics how do you tell
if an entire department is redundant?

Certainly not by chainsawing it out of existence without a thought.

--
Cindy Hamilton

rbowman

2025-02-25 19:00:05 UTC

It would be interesting to know what the timesheets look like for the
government employees who are involved in Musk's initiative. Big
companies often use enterprise software suites like SAP, which
require that employees complete their weekly
timesheets using various Project #s ; Task #s ; etc
to assign their work hours toward. Managers have access to all this
data to produce graphs & reports and analyse their departments'
performance and Project accomplishments ..

Good question. When we went to Jira management fell in love with graphs
and charts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jira_(software)

QA took the brunt of it since testing and bug reporting is a little easier
to quantify. The problem with government is accountability. A manager can
build his fiefdom, fill it with busy work, and make it look good to his
manager. (who also is trying to prove how indispensable his department
is)

Cindy Hamilton

2025-02-25 19:51:29 UTC

It would be interesting to know what the timesheets look like for the
government employees who are involved in Musk's initiative. Big
companies often use enterprise software suites like SAP, which
require that employees complete their weekly
timesheets using various Project #s ; Task #s ; etc
to assign their work hours toward. Managers have access to all this
data to produce graphs & reports and analyse their departments'
performance and Project accomplishments ..

You reminded me of our interactions with ISO-9000 auditors. They
really didn't know what to do about software. It just didn't fit
the mold.

I wasn't involved with all stages of the audits, but I can imagine
what it was like when they found out we shipped software with
hundreds of known deficiencies.

--
Cindy Hamilton

rbowman

2025-02-26 00:53:46 UTC

I wasn't involved with all stages of the audits, but I can imagine what
it was like when they found out we shipped software with hundreds of
known deficiencies.

We once had a very conscientious QA head. If it was up to her we never
would have shipped anything. I did feel bad for the last head who got heat
when a bug slipped past her department. Working on software with over 25
years of technical debt is like playing Jenga. Testing it is even worse.

I fixed a bug last year that was old enough to vote. Somebody finally
managed to come up with an email address that fit a pattern that was used
for two tone pagers.

rbowman

2025-02-25 18:51:59 UTC

Post by Ed P
If someone was not doing their job, it was well known at the time. A
well run organization knows what is going on.

Did they get fired? I am aware in any organization the workforce falls on
a curve with a few very productive, a few worthless, and the bulk adequate
to varying degrees. It's often hard to get rid of the worthless until red
ink starts to flow.

Ed P

2025-02-25 19:22:18 UTC

Post by Ed P
If someone was not doing their job, it was well known at the time. A
well run organization knows what is going on.

Some were let go, others just needed some correction. Depends on the
situation.

May situation over the years. Lost two very good workers one day when
ICE showed up. That was back in the late 70s.

rbowman

2025-02-25 18:45:50 UTC

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I wasn't a government employee and we didn't have daily or weekly
standups. Of course, a company with 35 employees scarcely needs that.

True, but it doesn't scale well.

MummyChunk

2025-02-25 15:55:20 UTC