Sheathing from the 1960's

[j***@myplace.com]

Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs. This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick. When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily. I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes. With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it. It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather. Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.

What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?

It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years. It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

[Doug Miller]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs. This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick. When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily. I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes. With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it. It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather. Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?

I believe the stuff you're talking about is called Celotex. It is/was made mostly of sugar cane fibers.

Post by j***@myplace.com
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years. It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

Don't know if it's still made or not. It was more sturdy than styrofoam, certainly, but was an inferior
insulator.

[George]

Post by Doug Miller

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs. This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick. When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily. I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes. With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it. It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather. Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?

I believe the stuff you're talking about is called Celotex. It is/was made mostly of sugar cane fibers.

I think corn fibers too. There was a big celotex plant near a friends
farm. He said they would buy the stalks from nearby farms.

The place is now a superfund site. They filed bankruptcy to avoid their
responsibility for asbestos. The plant closed and it was declared a
"superfund" site so we are paying to clean it up after years of them
burying coal tar and other stuff from their process on site.

Post by Doug Miller

Post by j***@myplace.com
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years. It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

Don't know if it's still made or not. It was more sturdy than styrofoam, certainly, but was an inferior
insulator.

[j***@myplace.com]

On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:25:45 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller

Post by Doug Miller

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs. This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick. When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily. I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes. With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it. It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather. Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?

I believe the stuff you're talking about is called Celotex. It is/was made mostly of sugar cane fibers.

Post by j***@myplace.com
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years. It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

Don't know if it's still made or not. It was more sturdy than styrofoam, certainly, but was an inferior
insulator.

I recall seeing the name "Celotex" on the stuff, but the Celotex
company makes lots of building products. I thought that was just the
company name and not the name of this actual material.

[Bob_Villa]

Post by j***@myplace.com
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:25:45 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller

Post by Doug Miller

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs.  This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick.  When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily.  I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes.  With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it.   It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather.  Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?

I believe the stuff you're talking about is called Celotex. It is/was made mostly of sugar cane fibers.

Post by j***@myplace.com
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years.  It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

Don't know if it's still made or not. It was more sturdy than styrofoam, certainly, but was an inferior
insulator.

I recall seeing the name "Celotex" on the stuff, but the Celotex
company makes lots of building products.  I thought that was just the
company name and not the name of this actual material.

Same as Scotch tape!

[j***@myplace.com]

On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:52:09 -0800 (PST), Bob_Villa

Post by Bob_Villa

Post by j***@myplace.com

Post by Doug Miller
Don't know if it's still made or not. It was more sturdy than styrofoam, certainly, but was an inferior
insulator.

I recall seeing the name "Celotex" on the stuff, but the Celotex
company makes lots of building products.  I thought that was just the
company name and not the name of this actual material.

Same as Scotch tape!

Ok. I get the point.....

The question is what is this stuff called now, and where can I buy it
(if it's still made). As soon as weather allows, I plan to build an
addition on my house and would like to use this stuff if possible.
Styrofoam is definately out due to the formeldahyde, and chemicals
released in the event of a fire, (not to mention being extremely
weak). Chip board is also out for similar reasons, and because it
can't "breathe", it's prone to holding moisture, causing decay and
mold. Dimensional lumber (horizontal 1" boards) would be my preferred
choice, followed up by plywood, but both are too damn expensive.

Just because modern construction is mostly all some type of plastics,
dont mean I have to or even want to use the junk. I've seen how
poorly these modern plastic homes are destroyed in even a small
tornado, while the older homes stay standing with only window and
shingle damage. I plan to build for strength more than R value. The
fiberglass insulation in the walls will suffice. I'd rather spend a
few more dollars on heating, than live is a plastic box that wont
stand up to winds, and contains toxic chemicals that get into the
inner air. I wont be using (ugly) plastic siding or plastic framed
windows either.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

Post by j***@myplace.com
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:52:09 -0800 (PST), Bob_Villa

Post by Bob_Villa

Post by j***@myplace.com

Post by Doug Miller
Don't know if it's still made or not. It was more sturdy than styrofoam, certainly, but was an inferior
insulator.

I recall seeing the name "Celotex" on the stuff, but the Celotex
company makes lots of building products.  I thought that was just the
company name and not the name of this actual material.

Same as Scotch tape!

Ok. I get the point.....
The question is what is this stuff called now, and where can I buy it
(if it's still made). As soon as weather allows, I plan to build an
addition on my house and would like to use this stuff if possible.
Styrofoam is definately out due to the formeldahyde, and chemicals
released in the event of a fire, (not to mention being extremely
weak). Chip board is also out for similar reasons, and because it
can't "breathe", it's prone to holding moisture, causing decay and
mold. Dimensional lumber (horizontal 1" boards) would be my preferred
choice, followed up by plywood, but both are too damn expensive.
Just because modern construction is mostly all some type of plastics,
dont mean I have to or even want to use the junk. I've seen how
poorly these modern plastic homes are destroyed in even a small
tornado, while the older homes stay standing with only window and
shingle damage. I plan to build for strength more than R value. The
fiberglass insulation in the walls will suffice. I'd rather spend a
few more dollars on heating, than live is a plastic box that wont
stand up to winds, and contains toxic chemicals that get into the
inner air. I wont be using (ugly) plastic siding or plastic framed
windows either.

Up here in Canada you can still buy "tentest" - it is still used by
some roofers over foam insulation before hot tar on "built-up" roofs.
Likely can't buy it at the "borg" but real builders supply shops
should carry it. Also known up here as "beaver board", I think (likely
from the days of "beaver lumber" being a household name) - and south
of the Niagara River as "bufalo board"?

As far as formaldehyde, don't hold your breath - or mabee do - the
stuff has resins in it too that may contain formaldehyde.

And the tornado that hit downtown Goderich didn't much care how old
the buildings were - it demolished old and new alike.

[Bob_Villa]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs.  This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick.  When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily.  I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes.  With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it.   It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather.  Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years.  It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

Maybe a soft wood fiberboard sheathing called Celotex.
http://www.blueridgefiberboard.com/pages/sheathing.php

[Bob_Villa]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs.  This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick.  When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily.  I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes.  With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it.   It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather.  Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years.  It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

Maybe a soft wood fiberboard sheathing called Celotex.http://www.blueridgefiberboard.com/pages/sheathing.php

Note the time on mine...and it took an hour to show-up?!

[hr(bob) [e-mail]]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs.  This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick.  When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily.  I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes.  With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it.   It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather.  Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years.  It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

Maybe a soft wood fiberboard sheathing called Celotex.http://www.blueridgefiberboard.com/pages/sheathing.php- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

THat's the name I remember from my childhood in the 1940's and 50's (I
had a long childhood)

[LdB]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs. This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick. When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily. I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes. With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it. It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather. Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years. It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

It was called Buffalo Board around here. It was a product made with
wood pulp in a process similar to paper making. There was a plant
producing the stuff in my area well into the 1990's. I had the bad
luck of having to do some electrical work in that plant on one
occasion. Not a pretty place to work in.

They had huge piles of cord wood in their yard, probably several
hundred cords per pile. I always though the owner of the plant could
have made more money by splitting the cord wood and selling it as
firewood to residences in the area than running that plant.

http://www.inspectapedia.com/structure/Fiberboard_Sheathing.htm

LdB

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs. This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick. When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily. I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes. With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it. It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather. Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?

TenTest was the common name.
Wood fiber, I think.
Glass-Clad is used in it's place, or that awfull wafer-board
(Aspenite)

Post by j***@myplace.com
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years. It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

[Johnny26]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
TenTest was the common name.

Here in Canada I'm researching and writing a book on building techniques in
the 1950s as compared to now.It's a humouorus look at building our own house.
We used black Tentest sheathing nailed straight onto the wall joists.There
were few building codes then, and I suspect it would not be allowed now. I
think it came in sheets 5/8" x 8-10- and 12' It was all we could afford and
had to see us living there until the following year. It was water-resistant
and had a much better insulation rating than other sheathing.We eventually
stapled tar-paper wrap (plastic sheeting was not yet invented) on it and then
a tongue-and-grooved half log siding. On my last visit in 2015, the logs had
been painted as opposed to our stained technique, but still intact after 63
years.

--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/sheathing-from-the-1960-s-679698-.htm

[samjule]

i see where you are writing a book on building in the 50s and wondering if u might know the answer of the ceiling materials used in the 50s up to 60s mobile homes and if contained asbestos.it was a board or panel not small tiles for the ceiling

[Bob F]

Post by samjule
i see where you are writing a book on building in the 50s and wondering
if u might know the answer of the ceiling materials used in the 50s up
to 60s mobile homes and if contained asbestos.it was a board or panel
not small tiles for the ceiling

Take a sample to a test lab and find out.

[g***@aol.com]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 02:03:05 +0000, samjule

Post by samjule
i see where you are writing a book on building in the 50s and wondering if u might know the answer of the ceiling materials used in the 50s up to 60s mobile homes and if contained asbestos.it was a board or panel not small tiles for the ceiling

In the 50s asbestos shingles for siding were popular because they
provided fire protection and some degree of insulation. They looked
like modern Hardee board.

[Jen]

what the r-value? I am renovating some old homes that have it, just wondering ! thank

[rbowman]

Post by Jen
what the r-value? I am renovating some old homes that have it, just
wondering ! thanks

'60s? Is it asbestos?

[gregz]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs. This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick. When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily. I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes. With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it. It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather. Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years. It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

I got the stuff on my old house, behind the brick. Too bad it's not
reflective. That would be better. Took me a couple minutes to find this
product.

http://www.templeinland.com/BuildingProducts/Fiberboard/QB/

Greg

[Steve Stone]

I purchased my first new home in 1982.
The builder had offered everyone an option for more money of Styrofoam
sheathing.
I declined and received the default dark gray fiber board covered with
vinyl or alum. siding.
The guy across the street from me bought the Styrofoam, and much to my
surprise that is all they used as exterior walls covered with vinyl
siding, nothing but wall studs behind it. I don't know how the builder
got away with that. Seemed unsafe and lacking strength to me at the time.

[j***@myplace.com]

Post by Steve Stone
I purchased my first new home in 1982.
The builder had offered everyone an option for more money of Styrofoam
sheathing.
I declined and received the default dark gray fiber board covered with
vinyl or alum. siding.
The guy across the street from me bought the Styrofoam, and much to my
surprise that is all they used as exterior walls covered with vinyl
siding, nothing but wall studs behind it. I don't know how the builder
got away with that. Seemed unsafe and lacking strength to me at the time.

That's how they build almost all modern homes. Then they put in
reinforced steel doors with deadbolt locks and security alarms. Guess
what, you can break into those houses without any tools. Rip off the
plastic siding with your bare hands, punch thru the styrofoam with
your fist. Rip out some insulation and punch thru the sheetrock with
your fist, and enter the home. Only idiots break in thru doors or
windows these days.

On top of that, these homes just explode when they are hit by a
tornado. Sure a large tornado will destroy any building, but most
older well built homes will survive the smaller ones, with only
shingle and window damage. The biggest problem with the older homes
is that most of them were not anchored to the basement, and they shift
off their foundations. Even then, they normally stay intact, while
these modern styro shacks just explode. But look at why. Neither
styrofoam sheathing, nor sheetrock, nor plastic siding do anything to
maintain structural stability, the biggest problem is that all the
weight is on the top. Shingles, OSB sheeting, and the roof framing,
not to mention snow loads and such. It's kind of like putting a
concrete block on a cardboard box. Too much weight for the structure.
Once the wind grabs that heavy roof, the rest of the structure just
explodes. Add to that that most homes are built with power nailers
these days, and those nails are generally shorter and thinner than the
common nails.

I want nothing to do with modern construction practices. It's my
opinion that the homes built in the 1950's thru early 70's were far
superior to anything built today. That was when buildings had reached
near perfection. Actually many homes built before the 50s were also
built very well, and often even stronger, but they had other problems,
crappy wiring, and in many ways they were built too heavy and thus
caused foundations to fail.

I intend to build my addition similar to that from the 60s. The
siding will be either wood or aluminum. Sheating will be this
celotex, or solid wood if I can get it for a decent cost. Plumbing
will be copper for water supply, not PEX. Insulation will be roll
fiberglass. The only modern stuff will be thermopane aluminum
windows, steel roofing and PVC drain pipes, plus modern wiring (which
will just be extended off what I already have because I rewired this
whole place in 2000.

[k***@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Post by j***@myplace.com

Post by Steve Stone
I purchased my first new home in 1982.
The builder had offered everyone an option for more money of Styrofoam
sheathing.
I declined and received the default dark gray fiber board covered with
vinyl or alum. siding.
The guy across the street from me bought the Styrofoam, and much to my
surprise that is all they used as exterior walls covered with vinyl
siding, nothing but wall studs behind it. I don't know how the builder
got away with that. Seemed unsafe and lacking strength to me at the time.

That's how they build almost all modern homes. Then they put in
reinforced steel doors with deadbolt locks and security alarms. Guess
what, you can break into those houses without any tools. Rip off the
plastic siding with your bare hands, punch thru the styrofoam with
your fist. Rip out some insulation and punch thru the sheetrock with
your fist, and enter the home. Only idiots break in thru doors or
windows these days.

Twenty years ago, maybe. The norm everywhere I've been is OSB sheathing, with
plywood being an expensive and seldom used option.

Post by j***@myplace.com
On top of that, these homes just explode when they are hit by a
tornado. Sure a large tornado will destroy any building, but most
older well built homes will survive the smaller ones, with only
shingle and window damage.

Absolute nonsense.

Post by j***@myplace.com
The biggest problem with the older homes
is that most of them were not anchored to the basement, and they shift
off their foundations. Even then, they normally stay intact, while
these modern styro shacks just explode. But look at why. Neither
styrofoam sheathing, nor sheetrock, nor plastic siding do anything to
maintain structural stability, the biggest problem is that all the
weight is on the top. Shingles, OSB sheeting, and the roof framing,
not to mention snow loads and such. It's kind of like putting a
concrete block on a cardboard box. Too much weight for the structure.
Once the wind grabs that heavy roof, the rest of the structure just
explodes. Add to that that most homes are built with power nailers
these days, and those nails are generally shorter and thinner than the
common nails.
I want nothing to do with modern construction practices. It's my
opinion that the homes built in the 1950's thru early 70's were far
superior to anything built today. That was when buildings had reached
near perfection. Actually many homes built before the 50s were also
built very well, and often even stronger, but they had other problems,
crappy wiring, and in many ways they were built too heavy and thus
caused foundations to fail.

You're crazy. You think aluminum wire is a good idea?

Post by j***@myplace.com
I intend to build my addition similar to that from the 60s. The
siding will be either wood or aluminum. Sheating will be this
celotex, or solid wood if I can get it for a decent cost. Plumbing
will be copper for water supply, not PEX. Insulation will be roll
fiberglass.

Although I don't much like the plumbing (PEX) in my house, there's no evidence
that it's worse than copper and in many ways it's better. There is nothing
magic about rolled fiberglass, and in fact spray foam is far superior, though
also quite expensive.

Post by j***@myplace.com
The only modern stuff will be thermopane aluminum
windows, steel roofing and PVC drain pipes, plus modern wiring (which
will just be extended off what I already have because I rewired this
whole place in 2000.

Thermopane aluminum windows? Why bother? I haven't seen aluminum frames,
except on cheap sliders, in decades.

[h]

Post by Steve Stone
I purchased my first new home in 1982.
The builder had offered everyone an option for more money of Styrofoam
sheathing.
I declined and received the default dark gray fiber board covered with
vinyl or alum. siding.
The guy across the street from me bought the Styrofoam, and much to my
surprise that is all they used as exterior walls covered with vinyl
siding, nothing but wall studs behind it. I don't know how the builder got
away with that. Seemed unsafe and lacking strength to me at the time.

There are several developments around here which were built like that. The
homeowners have alarm systems and expensive locks on their doors and it's
all pointless. The favorite (and fastest) way for a thief to break in is to
simply cut a hole in the back of the house with a sawsall and go through the
wall. Makes it easier to take out large items and the alarm doesn't go off!
Why would anyone buy a house without real sheathing?

[DanG]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Back in the 1960's homes were often built with a brown fiber sheeting
on the outside of the studs. This stuff went under the siding, and
was a semi-soft material about 3/4" thick. When cut it became "fuzzy"
along the cut edge, and it cut pretty easily. I recall this stuff
mostly because there were some large pieces left over when they built
my parents garage, and since I was building a "fort" I asked the
builder if I could have them, and he said yes. With the help of my
dad, I covered the entire walls of the fort with it. It must have
been treated with some waterproof material, because it held up well in
the weather. Years later it was still exposed in my parents garage
since the walls were left with just the studs.
What was this stuff called, and what was it made out of?
It's not sold anymore, at least I have not seen it at any lumber
yeards in many years. It seemed like a much better material than the
styrofoam they use these days.

Google tar impregnated sheathing. Here is Georgia Pacific's version:

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=6056

[Phillip]

Post by j***@myplace.com
Celotex"

Can anyone tell what type of insulation is used in this picture? house was
built in 1960..
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/i2

[Tekkie®]

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Post by j***@myplace.com
Celotex"

Can anyone tell what type of insulation is used in this picture? house was
built in 1960..
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/i2

No. What insulation are you talking about? I see some flashing around a
window but are you asking about behind the clapboards?

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Post by j***@myplace.com
Celotex"

Can anyone tell what type of insulation is used in this picture? house was
built in 1960..
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/i2

No. What insulation are you talking about? I see some flashing around a
window but are you asking about behind the clapboards?

I would guess R-11 paper backed fiberglass in 1960, if there was any
insulation at all.

[Clare Snyder]

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Post by Phillip

Post by j***@myplace.com
Celotex"

Can anyone tell what type of insulation is used in this picture? house was
built in 1960..
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/i2

No. What insulation are you talking about? I see some flashing around a
window but are you asking about behind the clapboards?

I would guess R-11 paper backed fiberglass in 1960, if there was any
insulation at all.

Just as likely to be paper backed cellulose.SLIGHT possibility of
mineral wool

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Post by Phillip

Post by j***@myplace.com
Celotex"

Can anyone tell what type of insulation is used in this picture? house was
built in 1960..
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/i2

No. What insulation are you talking about? I see some flashing around a
window but are you asking about behind the clapboards?

I would guess R-11 paper backed fiberglass in 1960, if there was any
insulation at all.

Just as likely to be paper backed cellulose.SLIGHT possibility of
mineral wool

Just basing on what I found in this house, built in 63.
There was nothing in the walls but the attic had R11 fiberglass. Then
the moron who lived here before I bought it pumped in a bunch of the
shredded newspaper cellulose and that was a disaster. It absorbed
water and became a thin gray mat that crushed the R-11 down to R-1 or
something. Based on a few places that did breathe a little I am
guessing it was 7 or 8 inches total when it went in but most of it is
more like an inch to an inch and a half thick now.
That cellulose wasn't really a fad here until the Carter era 70s.
I don't hear anything at all about it down here now. I guess they
learned.
The first thing is, everything people know about vapor barriers is
backward when the A/C is on 40-50 times as long as the heat.

[v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com]

My house was build 1964-65.

I understand back then they still used white asbestos just about everywhere,
but in small amounts (typically 5%, but plastere was up to 30%). Irving
Selikof published the hazards of asbestos in 1963. Worth noting that the
realy bad "blue" South African asbestos wasn't used everywhere as it was
expensive. The white stuff was way overused because they found huge mines in
Vermont in the 1920s.

We have ceramic covered cement shingles bound by 5% asbestos. The really
decent Neapolitan engineer told my uncle (just grad EE) "It is a new material
that never needs painting" Poor chap died of an aneurism a year later in his
forties, but am curious, since Greece and Italy had asbestos for thousands of
years, he didn't know what it was. This guy was really proud of his work, he
would drop buy after we moved in and give us repair tips. Still, one of our
neighbors paid a huge amount to replace the shingles with bricks before he
moved in.

I've heard some contractors will tell you you have asbestos just so they can
do work. And they threaten to "report" you. So I wanted to find out if our
sand ceiling paint had asbestos I sent it to a lab far away and only gave
email and postal money order. Zero. SPozably sheetrock back then was 5%
asbestos, but they said not even the sheetrock had it. Floor tiles and
roofing shingles may also have been 5%. Sheetrock and floor tiles are now 1%
max, but they allowed 5% for Katrina sheetrock which was sulfur unstable
because it was factory by-product not mined.

John Pauly of Roswell Park Cancer Center in Buffalo (no, not NM!) once
speculated asbestos doesn't get bad until midlew sets in to release it. He
seems to blame fungus for nearly all cancers, and sometimes makes a good
argument.

I know.. this reply was overkill

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On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 16:08:15 +0000 (UTC),

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
My house was build 1964-65.
I understand back then they still used white asbestos just about everywhere,
but in small amounts (typically 5%, but plastere was up to 30%). Irving
Selikof published the hazards of asbestos in 1963. Worth noting that the
realy bad "blue" South African asbestos wasn't used everywhere as it was
expensive. The white stuff was way overused because they found huge mines in
Vermont in the 1920s.
We have ceramic covered cement shingles bound by 5% asbestos. The really
decent Neapolitan engineer told my uncle (just grad EE) "It is a new material
that never needs painting" Poor chap died of an aneurism a year later in his
forties, but am curious, since Greece and Italy had asbestos for thousands of
years, he didn't know what it was. This guy was really proud of his work, he
would drop buy after we moved in and give us repair tips. Still, one of our
neighbors paid a huge amount to replace the shingles with bricks before he
moved in.
I've heard some contractors will tell you you have asbestos just so they can
do work. And they threaten to "report" you. So I wanted to find out if our
sand ceiling paint had asbestos I sent it to a lab far away and only gave
email and postal money order. Zero. SPozably sheetrock back then was 5%
asbestos, but they said not even the sheetrock had it. Floor tiles and
roofing shingles may also have been 5%. Sheetrock and floor tiles are now 1%
max, but they allowed 5% for Katrina sheetrock which was sulfur unstable
because it was factory by-product not mined.
John Pauly of Roswell Park Cancer Center in Buffalo (no, not NM!) once
speculated asbestos doesn't get bad until midlew sets in to release it. He
seems to blame fungus for nearly all cancers, and sometimes makes a good
argument.
I know.. this reply was overkill
- = -

My childhood home was added-onto & renovated ~ 1963.
and it was completely sided with Johns-Mansville.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johns_Manville

https://inspectapedia.com/exterior/Asbestos_Cement_Siding.php

It's still there.

The interior wall-board < we called it lath > and plaster may also
contain asbestos - it has never been tested. I believe that
interior walls need to be subjected to numerous test-samples
before it can be declared free of asbestos - unless a positive test
result is found ...

The sheeting under the siding strapping was Ten-Test ...
back where this thread started... I think.

Old window caulking has been known to contain asbestos -
if it's crumbly and falling off - there's the possible hazard.
John T.

[rbowman]

Post by h***@ccanoemail.ca
https://inspectapedia.com/exterior/Asbestos_Cement_Siding.php
It's still there.

The house was torn down to make way for a bank, but my parents had that
sort of siding installed over clapboard. It was supposed to be a no
maintenance option and lived up to that promise. There were quite a few
tiles left over from the installation and I used them for some of my
projects. Just the think if you were making a resistance bank with
nichrome wire...

[h***@ccanoemail.ca]

Post by rbowman

Post by h***@ccanoemail.ca
https://inspectapedia.com/exterior/Asbestos_Cement_Siding.php
It's still there.

The house was torn down to make way for a bank, but my parents had that
sort of siding installed over clapboard. It was supposed to be a no
maintenance option and lived up to that promise. There were quite a few
tiles left over from the installation and I used them for some of my
projects. Just the think if you were making a resistance bank with
nichrome wire...

Mesothelioma can take about 30 years to get you -
... you must be overdue by now ! :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos-related_diseases

Prior to my early retirement, I took a 6-month job rotation
- surveying, sampling and documenting asbestos
in many old power company buildings ...
.. we joked at the 1-day training session, that all the trainees
were about 50 years old - so we'd die before the
asbestos got to us !
The other common thing that contained asbestos - in industry and
power company locations - was the <usually black> panel boards
that were used to mount meters & relays & such. The hazard occurred
when drilled - so they were considered low priority - until I
found a couple locations were old piles of panel-shavings were still
laying under the panel floor cavity - just waiting to be disturbed
by some unsuspecting worker pulling wires or something ..
John T.

[rbowman]

Post by h***@ccanoemail.ca
Mesothelioma can take about 30 years to get you -
... you must be overdue by now ! :-)

Way overdue. Back in the '70s the companies I worked for manufactured
thermoset molding systems so I spent some quality time in molding
plants. I wondered at the time if that would catch up to me but it
doesn't seem to have either. Actually I wondered if plastics would catch
up with everyone. That 'new car smell' is mostly the plastisols
outgassing. Ever winder where the scum on the inside of the windshield
comes from even if you don't smoke?

[h***@ccanoemail.ca]

Post by rbowman

Post by h***@ccanoemail.ca
https://inspectapedia.com/exterior/Asbestos_Cement_Siding.php
It's still there.

The house was torn down to make way for a bank, but my parents had that
sort of siding installed over clapboard. It was supposed to be a no
maintenance option and lived up to that promise. There were quite a few
tiles left over from the installation and I used them for some of my
projects. Just the think if you were making a resistance bank with
nichrome wire...

I wonder what it adds to the cost of demolition & disposal -
when it's all done according to Hoyle ?
I imagine it could be real costly !
Suited-up workers ; clean stations ; air testing,
the debris needs to be bagged, sealed, & buried in a special part of
the landfill ... etc
John T.

[rbowman]

Post by h***@ccanoemail.ca

Post by rbowman

Post by h***@ccanoemail.ca
https://inspectapedia.com/exterior/Asbestos_Cement_Siding.php
It's still there.

The house was torn down to make way for a bank, but my parents had that
sort of siding installed over clapboard. It was supposed to be a no
maintenance option and lived up to that promise. There were quite a few
tiles left over from the installation and I used them for some of my
projects. Just the think if you were making a resistance bank with
nichrome wire...

I wonder what it adds to the cost of demolition & disposal -
when it's all done according to Hoyle ?
I imagine it could be real costly !
Suited-up workers ; clean stations ; air testing,
the debris needs to be bagged, sealed, & buried in a special part of
the landfill ... etc
John T.

I've no idea how it was torn down of exactly when. It was like
Nicholson's film 'About Schmidt' except my childhood home was replaced
by a bank instead of a tire shop. I do believe the maple I used to climb
up in to read survived.

[h***@ccanoemail.ca]

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Post by Phillip

Post by j***@myplace.com
Celotex"

Can anyone tell what type of insulation is used in this picture? house was
built in 1960..
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/i2

No. What insulation are you talking about? I see some flashing around a
window but are you asking about behind the clapboards?

We called it TenTest.

https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/sheathing-from-the-1960-s-679698-.htm

https://www.architectage.com/topics/guys-whats-board-called-im-looking-general-discussion

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John T.

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Post by Phillip

Post by j***@myplace.com
Celotex"

Can anyone tell what type of insulation is used in this picture? house was
built in 1960..
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/i2

No. What insulation are you talking about? I see some flashing around a
window but are you asking about behind the clapboards?
--
Tekkie

There is some green something visible at the very top. That siding isn't
from 1960 and it's possible it's that panel type foam insulation,
styrofoam that was put up behind the vinyl siding? But if that's the
area he's talking about, it would help if the pic focused on it instead
of the window. Also, could just cut a small piece out to identify it,
how thick it is, etc.