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Victor Redman
2024-12-19 01:18:44 UTC
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everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
Bennie Thompson
2024-12-19 11:34:42 UTC
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everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-12-19 13:20:47 UTC
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Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving. I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
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Cindy Hamilton
Bob F
2024-12-19 16:02:49 UTC
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Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving. I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
Republicans give it all to the billionaires. Big tax cuts for them,
resulting in recessions trashing workers every time.

Every recent GOP presidency has ended in recession.
clams casino
2024-12-19 21:57:26 UTC
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Post by Bob F
Republicans give it all to the billionaires. Big tax cuts for them,
resulting in recessions trashing workers every time.
Nope.


https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/

Congressional Democrats have argued that one of the best ways to pay for
the legislation is to raise taxes on wealthy households, which,
according to many on the left, have benefited disproportionately and
unfairly from the 2017 tax reform law passed by Republicans and signed
by former President Trump. The latest data, however, proves that this
claim is pure mythology.

Income data published by the IRS clearly show that on average all income
brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans’ tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers,
not the top 1 percent, as so many Democrats have argued.

A careful analysis of the IRS tax data, one that includes the effects of
tax credits and other reforms to the tax code, shows that filers with an
adjusted gross income (AGI) of $15,000 to $50,000 enjoyed an average tax
cut of 16 percent to 26 percent in 2018, the first year Republicans’ Tax
Cuts and Jobs Act went into effect and the most recent year for which
data is available.

Filers who earned $50,000 to $100,000 received a tax break of about 15
percent to 17 percent, and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 in
adjusted gross income saw their personal income taxes cut by around 11
percent to 13 percent.

By comparison, no income group with an AGI of at least $500,000 received
an average tax cut exceeding 9 percent, and the average tax cut for
brackets starting at $1 million was less than 6 percent. (For more
detailed data, see my table published here.)

That means most middle-income and working-class earners enjoyed a tax
cut that was at least double the size of tax cuts received by households
earning $1 million or more.

What’s more, IRS data shows earners in higher income brackets
contributed a bigger slice of the total income tax revenue pie following
the passage of the tax reform law than they had in the previous year.

In fact, every income bracket with filers earning $200,000 or more
increased its tax burden in 2018 compared to 2017, and every income
bracket with a top limit lower than $200,000 paid a smaller proportion
of the total personal tax revenue collected.

That means that Republicans’ tax reform law resulted in the tax code
becoming slightly more progressive — the exact opposite of what
Democrats have claimed over the past four years.

Every income bracket with a top level lower than $25,000 experienced a
reduction in its number of filers, and every income bracket above
$25,000 increased in size, with the biggest gains occurring in the
brackets with a floor of at least $100,000.

The fact is, Republicans’ 2017 tax reform law did exactly what was
promised: It lowered taxes for all income groups, provided the greatest
benefits for middle-income households, and spurred economic growth that
helped reduce poverty and improve prosperity.
Post by Bob F
Every recent GOP presidency has ended in recession.
Liar.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/past-recessions.asp

The COVID-19 Recession: February 2020–April 2020
Duration: Two months
Reasons and causes: The COVID-19 pandemic spread to the U.S. in March
2020, and the resulting travel and work restrictions caused employment
to plummet, triggering an unusually short but sharp recession.

The unemployment rate climbed from 3.5% in February 2020 to 14.7% in
April 2020 but was back below 4% by the end of 2021, capped by $5
trillion in pandemic relief spending.

In addition, quantitative easing by the Federal Reserve expanded its
balance sheet from $4.1 trillion in February 2020 to nearly $9 trillion
by the end of 2021, complementing a federal funds rate that remained
near zero until March 2022.

The U.S. economy and markets recovered strongly from 2021 into early
2022 following the introduction of effective COVID-19 vaccines. By
mid-2022, resurgent inflation had led the Federal Reserve to start
raising interest rates, increasing recession risks.

What Is the Average Length of a Recession?

The U.S. has experienced 34 recessions since 1857 according to the NBER,
varying in length from two months (February to April 2020) to more than
five years (October 1873 to March 1879). The average recession has
lasted 17 months, while the six recessions since 1980 have lasted less
than 10 months on average.
Clare Snyder
2024-12-19 16:17:07 UTC
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Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving. I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
Talking about fine Canadian Heathcare:
I just had relatively major spinal surgery 7 weeks ago today - at no
cost to myself.
My wife has had major heart surgery (Aortic valve replacement) and a
knee replacement in the last few years - at no cost to her or myself -
and she has been Diabetic for well over 35 years and her constant
glucose monitor is no cost, and for the last 10 years her insulin as
well.
I have worked all my life (since before I was 16) but health care
costs would have crippled me - and my and my wife's enjoyment of life
would have suffered significantly without knee and spine surgery - and
without the heart surgery she would no longer be on the green side of
the grass..
Bob F
2024-12-21 15:56:32 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 13:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving. I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
I just had relatively major spinal surgery 7 weeks ago today - at no
cost to myself.
My wife has had major heart surgery (Aortic valve replacement) and a
knee replacement in the last few years - at no cost to her or myself -
and she has been Diabetic for well over 35 years and her constant
glucose monitor is no cost, and for the last 10 years her insulin as
well.
I have worked all my life (since before I was 16) but health care
costs would have crippled me - and my and my wife's enjoyment of life
would have suffered significantly without knee and spine surgery - and
without the heart surgery she would no longer be on the green side of
the grass..
And meanwhile, the USA is the only developed country where families are
regularly driven into bankruptcy by medical bills, and medical costs are
twice as much per capita, with dismally worse population health.
Frank
2024-12-21 17:33:45 UTC
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Post by Clare Snyder
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 13:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will end
socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.  I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
  I just had relatively major spinal surgery 7 weeks ago today - at no
cost to myself.
My wife has had major heart surgery (Aortic valve replacement) and a
knee replacement in the last few years - at no cost to her or myself -
and she has been Diabetic for well over 35 years and her constant
glucose monitor is no cost, and for the last 10 years her insulin as
well.
I have worked all my life (since before I was 16) but health care
costs would have crippled me - and my and my wife's enjoyment of life
would have suffered significantly without knee and spine surgery - and
without the heart surgery she would no longer be on the green side of
the grass..
And meanwhile, the USA is the only developed country where families are
regularly driven into bankruptcy by medical bills, and medical costs are
twice as much per capita, with dismally worse population health.
Yes so if we are in such terrible shape you should leave the country
while you can. I suggest China whose politics are in line with yours.
Snag
2024-12-21 18:01:55 UTC
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Post by Clare Snyder
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 13:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.  I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
  I just had relatively major spinal surgery 7 weeks ago today - at no
cost to myself.
My wife has had major heart surgery (Aortic valve replacement) and a
knee replacement in the last few years - at no cost to her or myself -
and she has been Diabetic for well over 35 years and her constant
glucose monitor is no cost, and for the last 10 years her insulin as
well.
I have worked all my life (since before I was 16) but health care
costs would have crippled me - and my and my wife's enjoyment of life
would have suffered significantly without knee and spine surgery - and
without the heart surgery she would no longer be on the green side of
the grass..
And meanwhile, the USA is the only developed country where families
are regularly driven into bankruptcy by medical bills, and medical
costs are twice as much per capita, with dismally worse population
health.
Yes so if we are in such terrible shape you should leave the country
while you can.  I suggest China whose politics are in line with yours.
He's Canadian .
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Snag
Voting for Kamabla after Biden
is like changing your shirt because
you shit your pants .
Bob F
2024-12-21 19:43:13 UTC
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Post by Clare Snyder
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 13:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.  I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
  I just had relatively major spinal surgery 7 weeks ago today - at no
cost to myself.
My wife has had major heart surgery (Aortic valve replacement) and a
knee replacement in the last few years - at no cost to her or myself -
and she has been Diabetic for well over 35 years and her constant
glucose monitor is no cost, and for the last 10 years her insulin as
well.
I have worked all my life (since before I was 16) but health care
costs would have crippled me - and my and my wife's enjoyment of life
would have suffered significantly without knee and spine surgery - and
without the heart surgery she would no longer be on the green side of
the grass..
And meanwhile, the USA is the only developed country where families
are regularly driven into bankruptcy by medical bills, and medical
costs are twice as much per capita, with dismally worse population
health.
Yes so if we are in such terrible shape you should leave the country
while you can.  I suggest China whose politics are in line with yours.
  He's Canadian .
Both wrong as hell.

But don't you worry. I am sure President unelect Musk and his stooge
Trump will damage American health care even more. The GOP has proven for
decades that improving American health care is the last think they could
ever allow to happen.

Frank would live in in trumps hero's Viktor Orbán's right wing paradise.
I choose to see America be improved for others than just the billionaires.
clams casino
2024-12-21 19:50:31 UTC
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I am sure President unelect Musk and his stooge Trump will damage
American health care even more.
By buying Canada next July?

51st state health care will be universal.
Orca Winfrey
2024-12-22 11:18:13 UTC
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I choose to see America be improved for others than just the billionaires.
Crooked Joe has had four years to improve life for the little guy...yet zero results.
clams casino
2024-12-21 18:52:35 UTC
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the USA is the only developed country where families are regularly
driven into bankruptcy by medical bills
Another lie.

List of medical-bankruptcies-by-country:

Canada 19%
Australia 10%
United Kingdom 8.2%

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/HealthInsuranceandBankruptcyRates.pdf

Unlike the United States, Canada has a universal, single-payer,
government-run, socialized health
insurance system.
• Advocates of socialized medicine argue that the mixed public-private
health insurance system in the
United States causes many Americans to become financially bankrupt, and
that this would not
occur if the US adopted the Canadian health system.
• Following this logic, we should expect to observe a lower rate of
personal bankruptcy in Canada
than in the United States.
• Yet the most recent data (2006 and 2007) shows that personal
bankruptcy rates are actually higher in Canada (.30% for both
years) than in the United States (.20% and .27%).
• Research indicates that medical spending was only one of
several contributing factors in 17 percent of US bankruptcies,
and that medical debts accounted for only 12 to 13 percent of
the total debts among American bankruptcy filers who cited
medical debt as one of their reasons for bankruptcy.
• Research also indicates that medical reasons were cited as the
primary cause of bankruptcy by approximately 15 percent of
bankrupt Canadian seniors (55 years of age and older).
• The US-Canada comparative analysis strongly suggests that
bankruptcy statistics do not support arguments for a
government-run health insurance system.

https://www.gofundme.com/en-au/c/blog/medical-bankruptcy-2

Medical bankruptcy statistics to know
AImost 10% of all bankruptcies are tied to medical issues in Australia,
according to the Australian Financial Security Authority. While Medicare
covers many treatments, dental and private hospital surgeries are not
included in that list. These high medical care costs can lead people to
cut corners in their healthcare management, or go for the surgery
without organising a payment plan – leaving them with a huge bill at the
time they’re meant to be focusing on recovery.

https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2014/09/03/does-britain-have-medical-bankruptcies-yes/

a report from the World Health Organization also cites research that
“within the United Kingdom, sickness or disability accounted for 5% of
households in financial difficulties in 2002.”

Britain’s National Health Service estimates that, as of June, at least 3
million patients were waiting for treatments such as surgery, while over
15,600 operations were cancelled at the last minute in the second
quarter of 2014. Another 809,000 patients were waiting for a diagnostic
test. With so many people waiting for care, and some of those people
unable to work because of it, some bankruptcies are inevitable.

It’s a myth that there are no medical bankruptcies in single-payer
systems. But as Ben Cohen showed, such myths die hard.
Clare Snyder
2024-12-19 18:58:58 UTC
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Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving. I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
What should burn you even more is the billions in tax breaks to
Trump's fat-cat donor closs that you have to makeup for with YOUR
taxes and cuts to services YOU have paid for!!!!
The farmers requiring subsidies is no fault of their own. The FatCats
are far from blameless.
clams casino
2024-12-19 21:52:00 UTC
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What should burn you even more is the billions in tax breaks to
Trump's fat-cat donor closs that you have to makeup for
Nope.

Never happened.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/

Congressional Democrats have argued that one of the best ways to pay for
the legislation is to raise taxes on wealthy households, which,
according to many on the left, have benefited disproportionately and
unfairly from the 2017 tax reform law passed by Republicans and signed
by former President Trump. The latest data, however, proves that this
claim is pure mythology.

Income data published by the IRS clearly show that on average all income
brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans’ tax reform law,
with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers,
not the top 1 percent, as so many Democrats have argued.

A careful analysis of the IRS tax data, one that includes the effects of
tax credits and other reforms to the tax code, shows that filers with an
adjusted gross income (AGI) of $15,000 to $50,000 enjoyed an average tax
cut of 16 percent to 26 percent in 2018, the first year Republicans’ Tax
Cuts and Jobs Act went into effect and the most recent year for which
data is available.

Filers who earned $50,000 to $100,000 received a tax break of about 15
percent to 17 percent, and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 in
adjusted gross income saw their personal income taxes cut by around 11
percent to 13 percent.

By comparison, no income group with an AGI of at least $500,000 received
an average tax cut exceeding 9 percent, and the average tax cut for
brackets starting at $1 million was less than 6 percent. (For more
detailed data, see my table published here.)

That means most middle-income and working-class earners enjoyed a tax
cut that was at least double the size of tax cuts received by households
earning $1 million or more.

What’s more, IRS data shows earners in higher income brackets
contributed a bigger slice of the total income tax revenue pie following
the passage of the tax reform law than they had in the previous year.

In fact, every income bracket with filers earning $200,000 or more
increased its tax burden in 2018 compared to 2017, and every income
bracket with a top limit lower than $200,000 paid a smaller proportion
of the total personal tax revenue collected.

That means that Republicans’ tax reform law resulted in the tax code
becoming slightly more progressive — the exact opposite of what
Democrats have claimed over the past four years.

Every income bracket with a top level lower than $25,000 experienced a
reduction in its number of filers, and every income bracket above
$25,000 increased in size, with the biggest gains occurring in the
brackets with a floor of at least $100,000.

The fact is, Republicans’ 2017 tax reform law did exactly what was
promised: It lowered taxes for all income groups, provided the greatest
benefits for middle-income households, and spurred economic growth that
helped reduce poverty and improve prosperity.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-12-19 22:50:48 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 13:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving. I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
What should burn you even more is the billions in tax breaks to
Trump's fat-cat donor closs that you have to makeup for with YOUR
taxes and cuts to services YOU have paid for!!!!
I didn't want to leave myself open to some whiner saying "But those
billionaires earned that money. They should get to keep it."
Post by Clare Snyder
The farmers requiring subsidies is no fault of their own. The FatCats
are far from blameless.
I don't blame the farmers. I blame Trump.
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Cindy Hamilton
clams casino
2024-12-20 00:12:35 UTC
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Post by Clare Snyder
The farmers requiring subsidies is no fault of their own. The FatCats
are far from blameless.
I don't blame the farmers. I blame Trump.
Of course you do - just like not blaming the looters on George Floyd day...
Racheal Madcow
2024-12-20 12:08:26 UTC
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I didn't want to leave myself open to some whiner saying "But those
billionaires earned that money. They should get to keep it."
Whaddabout your team? I'm pretty sure Piglosi helped create the covid scamdemic.
Should she get to keep the covid loot?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/records-reveal-nancy-paul-pelosi-cashed-federal-covid/

The more I learn about the Piglosis, the more I think DePape should get a pardon.
clams casino
2024-12-20 21:47:31 UTC
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
I didn't want to leave myself open to some whiner saying "But those
billionaires earned that money.  They should get to keep it."
Whaddabout your team? I'm pretty sure Piglosi helped create the covid scamdemic.
Should she get to keep the covid loot?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/records-reveal-nancy-paul-pelosi-cashed-federal-covid/
The more I learn about the Piglosis, the more I think DePape should get a pardon.
Or a merit badge!
Racheal Madcow
2024-12-21 11:09:36 UTC
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
I didn't want to leave myself open to some whiner saying "But those
billionaires earned that money.  They should get to keep it."
Whaddabout your team? I'm pretty sure Piglosi helped create the covid scamdemic.
Should she get to keep the covid loot?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/records-reveal-nancy-paul-pelosi-cashed-federal-covid/
The more I learn about the Piglosis, the more I think DePape should get a pardon.
Or a merit badge!
Absolutely!
clams casino
2024-12-21 18:57:37 UTC
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Post by Racheal Madcow
Post by Cindy Hamilton
I didn't want to leave myself open to some whiner saying "But those
billionaires earned that money.  They should get to keep it."
Whaddabout your team? I'm pretty sure Piglosi helped create the covid scamdemic.
Should she get to keep the covid loot?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/records-reveal-nancy-paul-pelosi-cashed-federal-covid/
The more I learn about the Piglosis, the more I think DePape should get a pardon.
Or a merit badge!
Absolutely!
;-)))
Bennie Thompson
2024-12-19 19:27:33 UTC
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Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for their next welfare check.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Post by Cindy Hamilton
I resent the fact that my taxes
paid subsidies to soybean farmers who were shafted by Trump's
previous tariffs.
I resent Biden forgiving student loans.
If the college pukes had gotten a useful degree, they could pay off their own loans.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-12-19 22:51:26 UTC
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for their next welfare check.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter? Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.

How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
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Cindy Hamilton
clams casino
2024-12-20 00:13:16 UTC
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How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
How much of a government shutdown do you want this holiday season?
Bennie Thompson
2024-12-20 11:46:35 UTC
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Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for their next welfare check.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter? Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
Bob F
2024-12-21 01:42:51 UTC
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Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for
their next welfare check.
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter?  Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
Most of the rest of the world wish they could have done so well.
Clare Snyder
2024-12-21 03:15:15 UTC
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everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for their next welfare check.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter? Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
Racheal Madcow
2024-12-21 11:02:48 UTC
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everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for their next welfare check.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter? Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
Snag
2024-12-21 13:05:58 UTC
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Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for
their next welfare check.
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter?  Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
So was our energy industry ... and if things are so rosy under Biden
why am I paying around 40% more on groceries now ? 50% more for gas ,
and 25% more for car insurance ?
You're dead wrong on this one Clare .
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Snag
Voting for Kamabla after Biden
is like changing your shirt because
you shit your pants .
Ed P
2024-12-21 13:40:48 UTC
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BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
Malls and retail has been declining since Amazon and internet retailers
started. Business evolution,
danny burstein
2024-12-21 13:47:50 UTC
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BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
Malls and retail has been declining since Amazon and internet retailers
started. Business evolution,
Aye, laddies, you might want to read farther down in the stories,
where they casually mention the multi billion dollars in a debt
overhang. A couple of them even say where this came from.

("private equity" is a good clue)
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Clare Snyder
2024-12-22 00:35:35 UTC
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Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for
their next welfare check.
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter?  Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
So was our energy industry ... and if things are so rosy under Biden
why am I paying around 40% more on groceries now ? 50% more for gas ,
and 25% more for car insurance ?
You're dead wrong on this one Clare .
Well, Trump only has a (large) peripheral effect here in Canada but
my car insurance has barely changed in the last 8 years -(down,
actually!!!) and home insurance has gone up, not fue to Government,
but due to floodm storm, and wildfire losses WORLD WIDE.
Food costs have gone up WORLD WIDE - only effected a SMALL amount
byAmerican presidential politics (and that somewhat MODERATING the
increase under Biden in America) - due to many world-wide causes -
including world politics (russia/Ukraine for one) and climate (crop
failures - like coffee) and as for your FUEL costs you still have some
of the lowest energy costs in the world. Enjoy it while you can.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-12-22 10:57:24 UTC
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Post by Snag
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Post by Clare Snyder
Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for
their next welfare check.
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter?  Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
So was our energy industry ... and if things are so rosy under Biden
why am I paying around 40% more on groceries now ? 50% more for gas ,
and 25% more for car insurance ?
You're dead wrong on this one Clare .
Well, Trump only has a (large) peripheral effect here in Canada but
my car insurance has barely changed in the last 8 years -(down,
actually!!!) and home insurance has gone up, not fue to Government,
but due to floodm storm, and wildfire losses WORLD WIDE.
Food costs have gone up WORLD WIDE - only effected a SMALL amount
byAmerican presidential politics (and that somewhat MODERATING the
increase under Biden in America) - due to many world-wide causes -
including world politics (russia/Ukraine for one) and climate (crop
failures - like coffee) and as for your FUEL costs you still have some
of the lowest energy costs in the world. Enjoy it while you can.
Give up, Clare. Snag doesn't think the rest of the world is real.
It's some kind of bad dream to him. Or else he thinks it's 1797,
and stuff that happens across the planet doesn't affect us here
in North America because it takes two months to get here by sailing
ship.
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Snag
2024-12-22 13:05:48 UTC
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Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for
their next welfare check.
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter?  Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
So was our energy industry ... and if things are so rosy under Biden
why am I paying around 40% more on groceries now ? 50% more for gas ,
and 25% more for car insurance ?
You're dead wrong on this one Clare .
Well, Trump only has a (large) peripheral effect here in Canada but
my car insurance has barely changed in the last 8 years -(down,
actually!!!) and home insurance has gone up, not fue to Government,
but due to floodm storm, and wildfire losses WORLD WIDE.
Food costs have gone up WORLD WIDE - only effected a SMALL amount
byAmerican presidential politics (and that somewhat MODERATING the
increase under Biden in America) - due to many world-wide causes -
including world politics (russia/Ukraine for one) and climate (crop
failures - like coffee) and as for your FUEL costs you still have some
of the lowest energy costs in the world. Enjoy it while you can.
Give up, Clare. Snag doesn't think the rest of the world is real.
It's some kind of bad dream to him. Or else he thinks it's 1797,
and stuff that happens across the planet doesn't affect us here
in North America because it takes two months to get here by sailing
ship.
And you obviously don't understand the impact one of the largest
economies in the world has on other countries .
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Snag
Voting for Kamabla after Biden
is like changing your shirt because
you shit your pants .
Frank
2024-12-22 17:18:26 UTC
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Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Bennie Thompson
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for
their next welfare check.
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter?  Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
  So was our energy industry ... and if things are so rosy under Biden
why am I paying around 40% more on groceries now ? 50% more for gas ,
and 25% more for car insurance ?
   You're dead wrong on this one Clare .
  Well, Trump only has a (large) peripheral effect here in Canada but
my car insurance has barely changed in the last 8 years -(down,
actually!!!) and home insurance has gone up, not fue to Government,
but due to floodm storm, and wildfire losses WORLD WIDE.
  Food costs have gone up WORLD WIDE - only effected a SMALL amount
byAmerican presidential politics (and that somewhat MODERATING the
increase under Biden in America) - due to many world-wide causes -
including world politics (russia/Ukraine for one) and climate (crop
failures - like coffee) and as for your FUEL costs you still have some
of the lowest energy costs in the world. Enjoy it while you can.
Give up, Clare.  Snag doesn't think the rest of the world is real.
It's some kind of bad dream to him.  Or else he thinks it's 1797,
and stuff that happens across the planet doesn't affect us here
in North America because it takes two months to get here by sailing
ship.
  And you obviously don't understand the impact one of the largest
economies in the world has on other countries .
You said it. Something like oil is a commodity and reducing supply in
the US raised the price all over the world. Food is dependent on it
with cost of machinery to produce and transport it and prices are bound
to rise.

Cindy Hamilton
2024-12-21 14:21:49 UTC
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for their next welfare check.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter? Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
Big Lots died of venture capital. I've also heard that while they
used to sell decent overstock merchandise, for the last 15 years
a lot of what they sell is cheap Chinese junk. People can get that
anywhere.
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clams casino
2024-12-21 18:57:05 UTC
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Big Lots died of venture capital.
And Party City?

See any "vulture capital" in their tale of woe?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/20/business/party-city-shut-down/index.html

Party City’s “very best efforts have not been enough to overcome” its
financial challenges, he added, resulting in the company’s collapse.
Litwin said the company struggled to contend with inflation, which sent
the company’s costs higher and dragged down consumer spending.

Party City exited bankruptcy a month after Litwin’s arrival. It had
declared bankruptcy in January 2023. The company had struggled to pay
off its $1.7 billion debt load, and it was able to cancel nearly $1
billion in debt by going bankrupt. It also managed to keep most of its
more-than 800 stores open, although it closed more than 80 locations
between the end of 2022 to August 2024, according to its most recent
financial documents.

But it still had more than $800 million in debt to overcome, which
strained earnings this year.

https://www.gbclawgroup.com/blog/how-party-city-entered-and-emerged-from-bankruptcy/

Since 2019, the company has faced a wide range of financial challenges.
Some of these issues were common among retailers across the board. The
COVID-19 pandemic hit the company hard, and the uncertainty it
temporarily produced around the global supply chain dramatically
increased costs.

While the pandemic impacted many businesses, it was devastating to a
company that is built around providing supplies for social gatherings.
According to RetailWire, the company saw their earnings (before interest
and taxes) drop from $118.5 million at the end of 2019 to only $2.4
million in the third quarter of 2022.

Other issues were specifically damaging to a company like Party City.
Chief among these was the 2019 helium shortage, which ran up costs and
made it difficult for the company to fulfill key elements of its business.

In January of 2023, the company filed for protection under Chapter 11 of
the bankruptcy code. The filing, which occurred in the Southern District
of Texas, involves the holding company for Party City. It is worth
noting that this did not impact many of the other businesses under the
company’s umbrella, including franchise and international stores.

CEO Brad Weston remained in place throughout the nearly nine-month
bankruptcy process. Along the way, the company continued to operate its
domestic stores. After the restructuring plan was accepted by the judge,
the company exited bankruptcy in September. Weston stepped down from the
role of CEO, handing off to company president Sean Thompson in an
interim capacity.

The way that Party City entered and emerged from bankruptcy could be
studied by other business owners facing the prospect of reorganization
or liquidation. While it remains to be seen if their approach pays off
in the long run, reorganization put the company in a position where they
can attempt to return to their position at the top of market for party
supplies and holiday planning.
clams casino
2024-12-21 18:57:50 UTC
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everybody wants us health care where you pay for it  trump will
end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't".  Not "don't".  Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for
their next welfare check.
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter?  Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
About 3 times what the Trump economy he inherited would have rated
BigLots was thriving during the MAGA years.
Party City too.
Roger Rhino
2024-12-22 09:04:21 UTC
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for their next welfare check.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter? Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
The US Govt's creditworthiness is rated by Moody's, Fitch, and S&P. A
couple years ago it was downgraded to AA+ from AAA.

Why? Danger of debt repayment default due to Congress (read: GOP)
playing politics with debt limit, inability of Congress (read: GOP) to
control borrowing binges, and general fiscal irresponsibility (you know
who).

iDJT is getting ready to have another go at huge deficit spending. You
may not know what's coming, but the bond market does, and look what's
been happening to bonds.

Residual inflation from the pandemic and Trump 1.0 has finally been
subdued by the Fed, but look out. Tariffs are coming, the wetbacks who
produce your food are going, and life is about to get a lot more
expensive.
Orca Winfrey
2024-12-22 11:30:45 UTC
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Post by Victor Redman
everybody wants us health care where you pay for it trump will end socialism
The Democrats want people who work to pay for those who don't.
"Can't". Not "don't". Of course, defining "can't" has always
been tricky, ever since the Roman Empire (and probably earlier).
The US has no shortage of lazy people, standing around waiting for their next welfare check.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by Bennie Thompson
The Democrat's mantra: Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff.
The Republicans are just as giving.
Are you talkin' RINOs or real Republicans?
Does it matter? Once they're in office, the purse strings are open.
How do you feel about Trump wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling?
If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
The US Govt's creditworthiness is rated by Moody's, Fitch, and S&P. A
couple years ago it was downgraded to AA+ from AAA.
When the ability of the borrower to pay the interest on the debt, the credit score dives in the toilet.
Roger Rhino
2024-12-22 15:41:17 UTC
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If Equifax, Experian and TransUnion rated Biden's USA
(using the same criteria they use on We the People),
what credit score would they assign?
The US Govt's creditworthiness is rated by Moody's, Fitch, and S&P. A
couple years ago it was downgraded to AA+ from AAA.
Why? Danger of debt repayment default due to Congress (read: GOP)
playing politics with debt limit, inability of Congress (read: GOP) to
control borrowing binges, and general fiscal irresponsibility (you know
who).
iDJT is getting ready to have another go at huge deficit spending. You
may not know what's coming, but the bond market does, and look what's
been happening to bonds.
Residual inflation from the pandemic and Trump 1.0 has finally been
subdued by the Fed, but look out. Tariffs are coming, the wetbacks who
produce your food are going, and life is about to get a lot more
expensive.
When the ability of the borrower to pay the interest on the debt, the credit score dives in the toilet.
Very good!

Did you learn that from infowars?
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