Remaining Propane In Hand-held Bernzomatic Torch ?

[h***@sbcglobal.net]

I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

[Mike]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

How much is it worth to you not to run out in the middle of a project?
I keep a spare tank. Shelf life must be indefinite because after years
of sitting I've never had one go bad.

[C***@work.com]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years

old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an
important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute
drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would
be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75"
diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next

year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used.
Ideas ???

JUST KEEP AN EXTRA TANK ON HAND. THEY COST LESS THAN $5. THEY DONT GO
BAD. YOUR QUESTION IS POINTLESS.....

[Don Phillipson]

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Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year

Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by Don Phillipson
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Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year

Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

The 14.1 ouncers are sent out with the trash,
not returned.

[C***@work.com]

On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:46:59 -0500, "Don Phillipson"

Post by Don Phillipson
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Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year

Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

In the US, they are not returned. They are disposible. (Which I always
felt was wrong).

[k***@attt.bizz]

Post by C***@work.com
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:46:59 -0500, "Don Phillipson"

Post by Don Phillipson
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Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year

Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

In the US, they are not returned. They are disposible. (Which I always
felt was wrong).

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by k***@attt.bizz

Post by C***@work.com

Post by Don Phillipson
Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

In the US, they are not returned. They are disposible. (Which I always
felt was wrong).

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.

I've heard that Coleman brand are less likely
to leak than Ozark Trail. Just like Dietz oil
lamps less likely to leak than Ozark Trail.

[k***@attt.bizz]

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:14:19 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by k***@attt.bizz

Post by C***@work.com

Post by Don Phillipson
Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

In the US, they are not returned. They are disposible. (Which I always
felt was wrong).

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.

I've heard that Coleman brand are less likely
to leak than Ozark Trail. Just like Dietz oil
lamps less likely to leak than Ozark Trail.

"Less likely" is still a bad bet.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:14:19 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by k***@attt.bizz

Post by C***@work.com

Post by Don Phillipson
Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

In the US, they are not returned. They are disposible. (Which I always
felt was wrong).

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.

I've heard that Coleman brand are less likely
to leak than Ozark Trail. Just like Dietz oil
lamps less likely to leak than Ozark Trail.

"Ozark Trail" is cheap-assed Chinese Wal-Mart crap - of course it
will leak

[Dean Hoffman]

Post by k***@attt.bizz
The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.

That's something else I've never heard before. I routinely take
the torch off the bottle at work. They ride in the service panels of my
work pickup that way.
I've had the valves fail open a few times over the years. It seems
like it's during cold weather. I want to say somewhere in the mid teens
F or colder.
I'll have to look at the destructions on a bottle if they're still
legible.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by Dean Hoffman
That's something else I've never heard before. I routinely take
the torch off the bottle at work. They ride in the service panels of my
work pickup that way.
I've had the valves fail open a few times over the years. It seems
like it's during cold weather. I want to say somewhere in the mid teens
F or colder.
I'll have to look at the destructions on a bottle if they're still
legible.

One friend of mine left the torch head on the
tank, in back of his Ford truck. He says he's
not sure how, but the propane explosion put
him in the hospital for a while with burns. I
suspect he leaned in, and lit a cigarette. I
suspect the valve on the torch got opened, and
he didn't notice the propane odor.

He's lost two Ford trucks. The other one was
when welding, and a spark landed on the carpet
in the back, and took off from there.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:40:15 -0600, Dean Hoffman

Post by Dean Hoffman

Post by k***@attt.bizz
The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.

That's something else I've never heard before. I routinely take
the torch off the bottle at work. They ride in the service panels of my
work pickup that way.
I've had the valves fail open a few times over the years. It seems
like it's during cold weather. I want to say somewhere in the mid teens
F or colder.
I'll have to look at the destructions on a bottle if they're still
legible.

I've never had a "berznomatic" or "worthington" cyl leak, but it's
to the point I won't remove a coleman cyl anymore unless it is to move
it to a different "appliance". Better than half of them leak -
regardless of temperature.

Refilling is not a good idea - as transporting a refilled 1 pounder
(single use) tank is illegal.

[C***@work.com]

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:40:15 -0600, Dean Hoffman

Post by Dean Hoffman

Post by k***@attt.bizz
The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.

That's something else I've never heard before. I routinely take
the torch off the bottle at work. They ride in the service panels of my
work pickup that way.
I've had the valves fail open a few times over the years. It seems
like it's during cold weather. I want to say somewhere in the mid teens
F or colder.
I'll have to look at the destructions on a bottle if they're still
legible.

I *ALWAYS* take the torch head off the cylinder when I complete a job.
Some torches leak, they can get bumped and turned on a little. Then you
wasted a full tank of gas.

I always keep them indoors in cold weather. When they get cold, they
dont work right. And that is when they are usually needed the most,
when a pipe freezes or something like that. Even those bic cigarette
lighters dont work if they sit in a cold car. You have to warm them in
your hands before they will light.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by C***@work.com
I *ALWAYS* take the torch head off the cylinder when I complete a job.
Some torches leak, they can get bumped and turned on a little. Then you
wasted a full tank of gas.
I always keep them indoors in cold weather. When they get cold, they
dont work right. And that is when they are usually needed the most,
when a pipe freezes or something like that. Even those bic cigarette
lighters dont work if they sit in a cold car. You have to warm them in
your hands before they will light.

I agree with this. Oh, Mapp gas is worse than propane,
for cold tank performance. I'm not sure about Mapp Pro,
but it's got to be much the same. On Ice Road Truckers,
the guys use propane torch, but never see Mapp
cylinders. I'd guess this is why.

Butane performance in cold is worse than propane.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 07:11:32 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by C***@work.com
I *ALWAYS* take the torch head off the cylinder when I complete a job.
Some torches leak, they can get bumped and turned on a little. Then you
wasted a full tank of gas.
I always keep them indoors in cold weather. When they get cold, they
dont work right. And that is when they are usually needed the most,
when a pipe freezes or something like that. Even those bic cigarette
lighters dont work if they sit in a cold car. You have to warm them in
your hands before they will light.

I agree with this. Oh, Mapp gas is worse than propane,
for cold tank performance. I'm not sure about Mapp Pro,
but it's got to be much the same. On Ice Road Truckers,
the guys use propane torch, but never see Mapp
cylinders. I'd guess this is why.
Butane performance in cold is worse than propane.

MAPP is so much more expensive than propane (up here anyway) and the
extra heat output is not that important for thawing air lines etc.
Even for thawing water pipes, propane is adequate.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca

Post by Stormin Mormon
I agree with this. Oh, Mapp gas is worse than propane,
for cold tank performance. I'm not sure about Mapp Pro,
but it's got to be much the same. On Ice Road Truckers,
the guys use propane torch, but never see Mapp
cylinders. I'd guess this is why.

MAPP is so much more expensive than propane (up here anyway) and the
extra heat output is not that important for thawing air lines etc.
Even for thawing water pipes, propane is adequate.

You know, that's plenty sensible. I use Mapp for
silver soldering refrigeration lines. Sometimes it's
hot enough for stick brazing. For small lines.

Propane for thawing lines, I guess. Sounds right.

[C***@work.com]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca

Post by Stormin Mormon
Butane performance in cold is worse than propane.

I guess so. Those cig lighters are butane and they just dont work in
cold.

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
MAPP is so much more expensive than propane (up here anyway) and the
extra heat output is not that important for thawing air lines etc.
Even for thawing water pipes, propane is adequate.

Mapp is only for welding / brazing. No sense paying the extra just for
normal use like thawing pipes.

[DerbyDad03]

Post by k***@attt.bizz

Post by C***@work.com
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:46:59 -0500, "Don Phillipson"

Post by Don Phillipson
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Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year

Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

In the US, they are not returned. They are disposible. (Which I always
felt was wrong).

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.

Cite?

The instructions here say otherwise. Read the section on Storage.

http://www.bernzomatic.com/docs/1500_2301_AL30.pdf

[Frank]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

My Master Mechanic torch must be that old too and I either got new tank
or it is still near full.

I notice all they give is a tare weight and you would have had to weight
it when new to see when near empty.

I also note that the squatter tanks used for my camp stove will fit the
torch. They are fairly cheap and I have extra so I need not worry about
the torch running out.

Also think if you shake the tank and do not feel liquid squishing around
it may be near empty.

[DerbyDad03]

Post by Frank

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years
old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an
important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute
drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would
be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75"
diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

My Master Mechanic torch must be that old too and I either got new tank
or it is still near full.
I notice all they give is a tare weight and you would have had to weight
it when new to see when near empty.
I also note that the squatter tanks used for my camp stove will fit the
torch. They are fairly cheap and I have extra so I need not worry about
the torch running out.
Also think if you shake the tank and do not feel liquid squishing around
it may be near empty.

I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Swap in a different, apparently fuller one (heavier and louder) and the
grill works fine.

[Frank]

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Frank

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years
old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an
important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute
drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would
be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75"
diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

My Master Mechanic torch must be that old too and I either got new tank
or it is still near full.
I notice all they give is a tare weight and you would have had to weight
it when new to see when near empty.
I also note that the squatter tanks used for my camp stove will fit the
torch. They are fairly cheap and I have extra so I need not worry about
the torch running out.
Also think if you shake the tank and do not feel liquid squishing around
it may be near empty.

I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.
Swap in a different, apparently fuller one (heavier and louder) and the
grill works fine.

That makes no sense but I gave up on trying to figure out when I needed
more gas for my grill and now just keep around an extra filled tank.

Reminds me that I had been grousing about Blue Rhino only selling 4 gal
of propane in their 5 gallon tanks. Then, I talked to a guy that had a
tank overfilled resulting in a fireball type explosion that nearly
killed him. Better safe than sorry.

[DerbyDad03]

Post by Frank

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Frank

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years
old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an
important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute
drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would
be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75"
diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

My Master Mechanic torch must be that old too and I either got new tank
or it is still near full.
I notice all they give is a tare weight and you would have had to weight
it when new to see when near empty.
I also note that the squatter tanks used for my camp stove will fit the
torch. They are fairly cheap and I have extra so I need not worry about
the torch running out.
Also think if you shake the tank and do not feel liquid squishing around
it may be near empty.

I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.
Swap in a different, apparently fuller one (heavier and louder) and the
grill works fine.

That makes no sense but I gave up on trying to figure out when I needed
more gas for my grill and now just keep around an extra filled tank.

I always have multiple cylinders around because I have a portable grill,
camp stove, a couple of lanterns, torches, etc.

For long camping trips I take a 20 lb tank. I have hoses and a T fitting so
I can run my grill and stove off of one tank and never worry about running
out.

Post by Frank
Reminds me that I had been grousing about Blue Rhino only selling 4 gal
of propane in their 5 gallon tanks.

BJ's fills the 20 lb tanks all the way for a lot cheaper than any trade-in
place. However, they charge full price regardless of how much is left in
the tank. U-Haul charges only for what they put in the tank, but it usually
takes longer to get them filled than at BJ's. They are cheaper than BJ's
even for a full tank but there are times when I want to get in and out.
BJ's is always much faster.

Post by Frank
Then, I talked to a guy that had a tank overfilled resulting in a
fireball type explosion that nearly killed him.
Better safe than sorry.

Uh...yeah...we hear about that sort of thing happening all the time, don't
we?

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Frank
Then, I talked to a guy that had a tank overfilled resulting in a
fireball type explosion that nearly killed him.
Better safe than sorry.

Uh...yeah...we hear about that sort of thing happening all the time, don't
we?

Not me. My halogen bulbs already burned down
the house. Which killed the alligators coming
out of the toilet, and dried up the retaining
wall, where I'd put the garden hose to chase
off the pocket gophers and green garden snakes
(which everyone knows are harmless). Fortunately,
on rec puzzles and rec crafts metalworking,
they had a "what is it" picture of a fire
hydrant wrench, so the responding FD was able
to open the hydrant and get water to the fire.
They used a 90% efficiency fire truck which was
power vented through a crawl space, to pump the
water which was fluoridated for cavities. My
burglar alarm failed to report the fire, due to
the bad power transformer, and the bad board.
Sadly, I am homeless because Obama Care cancelled
my insurance. Yes, I do have to always criticize
Obama.

And they lived sadly ever after. "Hold my beer and
watch this, woman!" The end.

[mike]

Post by Frank
Reminds me that I had been grousing about Blue Rhino only selling 4 gal
of propane in their 5 gallon tanks. Then, I talked to a guy that had a
tank overfilled resulting in a fireball type explosion that nearly
killed him. Better safe than sorry.

I don't have any problem with anybody putting 4 gallons in a 5 gallon tank.
I DO have a problem when they charge you what 8 gallons would cost
for that 4 gallons in a 5 gallon tank.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.
Swap in a different, apparently fuller one (heavier and louder) and the
grill works fine.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

[DerbyDad03]

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.
Swap in a different, apparently fuller one (heavier and louder) and the
grill works fine.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

1) cheaper than propane, so someone came up
with the idea to put some in, and fake out
the scales
2) hose left open during the rain storm, and
then hooked to the tank; water goes ahead of
the LPG
3) evil gremlins theory

[DerbyDad03]

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

1) cheaper than propane, so someone came up
with the idea to put some in, and fake out
the scales
2) hose left open during the rain storm, and
then hooked to the tank; water goes ahead of
the LPG
3) evil gremlins theory

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

Only #3 could possibly apply.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

[DerbyDad03]

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

[DerbyDad03]

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

Really.

Actually, it was a 16.4 oz. You'll note that I said portable grill.

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[Stormin Mormon]

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

Really.
Actually, it was a 16.4 oz. You'll note that I said portable grill.
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72/86/49/73/0072864973184_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.

Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

How water would get into one of them tanks? Only
if done at the factory. The other thing, is that when
the tank is cold (such as being outdoors these days)
the temperature and pressure in the tank fall. If
you warm the tank a bit, the pressure may come back
to normal. I've had that happen when I was trying to
warm a camp building in the winter, while doing some
rewiring.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 07:40:13 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

Really.
Actually, it was a 16.4 oz. You'll note that I said portable grill.
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72/86/49/73/0072864973184_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.
Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

Set most of them on a picnic table and they light the table on fire.
The vast majority are cheap Chinese crap with no certification - and
are useless at best, and dangerous in many cases.

Post by Stormin Mormon
How water would get into one of them tanks? Only
if done at the factory. The other thing, is that when
the tank is cold (such as being outdoors these days)
the temperature and pressure in the tank fall. If
you warm the tank a bit, the pressure may come back
to normal. I've had that happen when I was trying to
warm a camp building in the winter, while doing some
rewiring.

Perhaps water could get in if someone was refilling them with REALLY
crappy adapters that were left out in the rain.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72/86/49/73/0072864973184_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.
Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

Set most of them on a picnic table and they light the table on fire.
The vast majority are cheap Chinese crap with no certification - and
are useless at best, and dangerous in many cases.

Can't say as I remember ever hearing the FD called
to a picnic table fire. Do you have an online link?

Sounds like fun.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 16:11:42 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72/86/49/73/0072864973184_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.
Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

Set most of them on a picnic table and they light the table on fire.
The vast majority are cheap Chinese crap with no certification - and
are useless at best, and dangerous in many cases.

Can't say as I remember ever hearing the FD called
to a picnic table fire. Do you have an online link?
Sounds like fun.

Who needs an online link. I've had it happen. Didn't need the fire
department - just a pail of river water. - didn't actually flame, but
charred about 1/4 inch deep. In Algonquin Park.

[gregz]

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

Really.
Actually, it was a 16.4 oz. You'll note that I said portable grill.
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72/86/49/73/0072864973184_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.
Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.
How water would get into one of them tanks? Only
if done at the factory. The other thing, is that when
the tank is cold (such as being outdoors these days)
the temperature and pressure in the tank fall. If
you warm the tank a bit, the pressure may come back
to normal. I've had that happen when I was trying to
warm a camp building in the winter, while doing some
rewiring.

I got a grill I bough at rite aid for $20 I use frequently. It's even got
Thermometer.
Been using It at camp, but it's been around. If I saw it again, I would buy
it, especially at $20. Sometimes you find amazing deals.

I also have a Coleman grill plate, not as useful. Another cheap propane two
burner stove I keep as spare. Also a Coleman liquid gas two burner stove, I
used mostly when we camped in tents.


Greg

[gregz]

Post by gregz

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

Really.
Actually, it was a 16.4 oz. You'll note that I said portable grill.
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72/86/49/73/0072864973184_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.
Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.
How water would get into one of them tanks? Only
if done at the factory. The other thing, is that when
the tank is cold (such as being outdoors these days)
the temperature and pressure in the tank fall. If
you warm the tank a bit, the pressure may come back
to normal. I've had that happen when I was trying to
warm a camp building in the winter, while doing some
rewiring.

I got a grill I bough at rite aid for $20 I use frequently. It's even got
Thermometer.
Been using It at camp, but it's been around. If I saw it again, I would buy
it, especially at $20. Sometimes you find amazing deals.
I also have a Coleman grill plate, not as useful. Another cheap propane two
burner stove I keep as spare. Also a Coleman liquid gas two burner stove, I
used mostly when we camped in tents.
Greg

I usually shake the tank. Works for me.

That grill I bought 4-5 years ago for $20 at rite aid looks similar to
this...

http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Bond-Portable-Gas-Grill/6783840/product.html

Greg

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

[DerbyDad03]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

I've had a few portable grills in the past few decades. I have never had a
problem keeping them lit with the lid closed. In fact, the opposite is
true. I've had trouble keeping them cool enough with the lid closed. Low is
not usually low enough and I sometimes prop the lid open an inch or two to
help control the heat.

My current grill is a Sunbeam and I think it's the best I've had.

Useless? When I think back over the countless family picnics, sporting
event tailgating sessions, camping trips and lunches in the park with
SWMBO, "useless" is not a word I would assign to a portable grill.

My kids come by to borrow mine quite often these days, so as my use of it
for them trails off, their direct use of it increases.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:38:59 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

I've had a few portable grills in the past few decades. I have never had a
problem keeping them lit with the lid closed. In fact, the opposite is
true. I've had trouble keeping them cool enough with the lid closed. Low is
not usually low enough and I sometimes prop the lid open an inch or two to
help control the heat.
My current grill is a Sunbeam and I think it's the best I've had.
Useless? When I think back over the countless family picnics, sporting
event tailgating sessions, camping trips and lunches in the park with
SWMBO, "useless" is not a word I would assign to a portable grill.
My kids come by to borrow mine quite often these days, so as my use of it
for them trails off, their direct use of it increases.

The Sunbeam and Weber are the only ones I've used that HAVE worked -
and the Sunbeam did burn a hole in the picnic table.

[DerbyDad03]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:38:59 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

I've had a few portable grills in the past few decades. I have never had a
problem keeping them lit with the lid closed. In fact, the opposite is
true. I've had trouble keeping them cool enough with the lid closed. Low is
not usually low enough and I sometimes prop the lid open an inch or two to
help control the heat.
My current grill is a Sunbeam and I think it's the best I've had.
Useless? When I think back over the countless family picnics, sporting
event tailgating sessions, camping trips and lunches in the park with
SWMBO, "useless" is not a word I would assign to a portable grill.
My kids come by to borrow mine quite often these days, so as my use of it
for them trails off, their direct use of it increases.

The Sunbeam and Weber are the only ones I've used that HAVE worked -
and the Sunbeam did burn a hole in the picnic table.

I'm not doubting you, but what kind of picnic table?

In all the years I've been using portable grills I've even never scorched a
table, let alone burned a hole in one. When I camp I have a couple of
wooden cabinets that I made to transport and hold our kitchen stuff. They
get put up on stands and then a 2' x 4’ piece of plywood goes across the
gap and the grill and stove go on top. The grill has never even scorched
the plywood.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 00:14:00 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:38:59 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by DerbyDad03
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....

How would water get in the cylinder?

Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.

At the risk of repeating myself....
Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

I've had a few portable grills in the past few decades. I have never had a
problem keeping them lit with the lid closed. In fact, the opposite is
true. I've had trouble keeping them cool enough with the lid closed. Low is
not usually low enough and I sometimes prop the lid open an inch or two to
help control the heat.
My current grill is a Sunbeam and I think it's the best I've had.
Useless? When I think back over the countless family picnics, sporting
event tailgating sessions, camping trips and lunches in the park with
SWMBO, "useless" is not a word I would assign to a portable grill.
My kids come by to borrow mine quite often these days, so as my use of it
for them trails off, their direct use of it increases.

The Sunbeam and Weber are the only ones I've used that HAVE worked -
and the Sunbeam did burn a hole in the picnic table.

I'm not doubting you, but what kind of picnic table?
In all the years I've been using portable grills I've even never scorched a
table, let alone burned a hole in one. When I camp I have a couple of
wooden cabinets that I made to transport and hold our kitchen stuff. They
get put up on stands and then a 2' x 4’ piece of plywood goes across the
gap and the grill and stove go on top. The grill has never even scorched
the plywood.

It was 2X8 pine or spruce - Parks Canada issue - Algonquin Park - Pog
Lake Campground if I remember correctly.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:55:02 -0500, Frank

Post by Frank

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

My Master Mechanic torch must be that old too and I either got new tank
or it is still near full.
I notice all they give is a tare weight and you would have had to weight
it when new to see when near empty.
I also note that the squatter tanks used for my camp stove will fit the
torch. They are fairly cheap and I have extra so I need not worry about
the torch running out.
Also think if you shake the tank and do not feel liquid squishing around
it may be near empty.

Tare weight IS the empty weight. They weigh 430 grams empty (tare) and
830 grams full

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
Tare weight IS the empty weight. They weigh 430 grams empty (tare) and
830 grams full

But that is for a tank in them foreign countries. We don't have those
gram things here in the US of A. Our gas would weigh in at 14 AMERICAN
ounces.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
Tare weight IS the empty weight. They weigh 430 grams empty (tare) and
830 grams full

But that is for a tank in them foreign countries. We don't have those
gram things here in the US of A. Our gas would weigh in at 14 AMERICAN
ounces.

As would the empty tank - making the full tank something awfull close
to 28 oz - or 1 3/4 lbs.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:55:02 -0500, Frank

Post by Frank
I notice all they give is a tare weight and you would have had to weight
it when new to see when near empty.

Tare weight IS the empty weight. They weigh 430 grams empty (tare) and
830 grams full

I've found most products give the net weight.
Can't say as I've ever seen a product give the
tare weight.

I've found about 12 ounces empty (tare) weight.

[h***@sbcglobal.net]

I guess I should have asked for POLITE IDEAS. Anyway, I am trying to clean up my workbench and workshop and would rather not have an extra cylinder around unless I will be needing it in the short term.

[VinnyB]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I guess I should have asked for POLITE IDEAS. Anyway, I am trying to clean up my workbench and workshop and would rather not have an extra cylinder around unless I will be needing it in the short term.

Yeah, people here get irate when someone posts a dumb and poorly
formatted question; which is typical for a GG poster. But still it
would be nice to see polite replies.

[C***@work.com]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I guess I should have asked for POLITE IDEAS. Anyway, I am trying

to clean up my workbench and workshop and would rather not have an extra
cylinder around unless I will be needing it in the short term.

I suppose you only keep one can of soup in your house, unless you plan
to eat one in the short term?

And heaven forbid you keep an extra set of flashlight batteries on hand,
or a light bulb....... or spare pair of underwear in case you poop your
pants!

[k***@attt.bizz]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I guess I should have asked for POLITE IDEAS. Anyway, I am trying

to clean up my workbench and workshop and would rather not have an extra
cylinder around unless I will be needing it in the short term.
I suppose you only keep one can of soup in your house, unless you plan
to eat one in the short term?
And heaven forbid you keep an extra set of flashlight batteries on hand,
or a light bulb....... or spare pair of underwear in case you poop your
pants!

I'm sure you need them frequently, HomoGay.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane

torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have
never run out of gas in the middle of an important
project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a
five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late
at nite after the stores would be closed, and it
would be nice to know when my propane cylinder
(~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could

be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue
how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???
I'd go buy another tank, now. The three bucks you
spend, you'll save that much on gasoline, and time.
Not having to make a rush run for more. As to the
16 ouncers, empty tank about 12 ounces.

[Emma Genius]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

Put the propane tank in the freezer for 30 minutes.
Pull it out and start scanning the tank from top to bottom with an infrared thermometer.
As the tank warms up, you'll notice the temp changes drastically at the liquid level.

If you don't have an infrared thermometer, now you have a reason to go buy one.
And for the love of God, get a spare tank of propane while you're at the store. ;=)

[k***@attt.bizz]

On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:51:33 -0500, Emma Genius

Post by Emma Genius

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

Put the propane tank in the freezer for 30 minutes.

+1

Post by Emma Genius
Pull it out and start scanning the tank from top to bottom with an infrared thermometer.
As the tank warms up, you'll notice the temp changes drastically at the liquid level.

Breathe on it. The condensation line will show the level of the
liquid inside.

Post by Emma Genius
If you don't have an infrared thermometer, now you have a reason to go buy one.
And for the love of God, get a spare tank of propane while you're at the store. ;=)

;-)

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by Emma Genius
Put the propane tank in the freezer for 30 minutes.
Pull it out and start scanning the tank from top to bottom with an infrared thermometer.
As the tank warms up, you'll notice the temp changes drastically at the liquid level.
If you don't have an infrared thermometer, now you have a reason to go buy one.
And for the love of God, get a spare tank of propane while you're at the store. ;=)

I wish to nominate this post for the common sense of
the week award. And the OP should go ahead and buy
a propane cylinder, and get it over with.

[h***@sbcglobal.net]

Emma Genius has a great idea. I do have a Harbor Freight infrared scanner and will try her suggestion overnight tonight. Thanks.

[Dean Hoffman]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+
years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of
an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five
minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the
stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane
cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out. I could
weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used.
Ideas ???

There are tank level indicators.
Examples here: http://tinyurl.com/mlufazw

[DerbyDad03]

Post by Dean Hoffman

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+
years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of
an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five
minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the
stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane
cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out. I could
weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used.
Ideas ???

There are tank level indicators.
Examples here: http://tinyurl.com/mlufazw

Got any for the 14.1 or 16 oz tanks like the OP is talking about?

He's talking about this...

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[Frank]

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Dean Hoffman

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+
years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of
an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five
minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the
stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane
cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out. I could
weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used.
Ideas ???

There are tank level indicators.
Examples here: http://tinyurl.com/mlufazw

Got any for the 14.1 or 16 oz tanks like the OP is talking about?
He's talking about this...
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/91/91432ddd-b27c-4303-a874-0d1e05f3f13a_1000.jpg

Principle is the same and they should work on any tank. They just show
temperature at different levels. But, one of the things I tried and did
not work well. The IR thermometer mentioned sounds like a good idea but
one would cost probably more than 10 full propane bottles.

[Dean Hoffman]

Post by DerbyDad03

Post by Dean Hoffman

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+
years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of
an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five
minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the
stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane
cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out. I could
weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used.
Ideas ???

There are tank level indicators.
Examples here: http://tinyurl.com/mlufazw

Got any for the 14.1 or 16 oz tanks like the OP is talking about?
He's talking about this...
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/91/91432ddd-b27c-4303-a874-0d1e05f3f13a_1000.jpg

That's what I envisioned. Some of the level indicators in the
pictures in the link are just like a piece of tape. They change color
at the propane level. I suspect the circumference of the tank doesn't
matter.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

The empty 14.1 oz torch tank weighs about 15 oz (430 grams, actually)
so a full tank weighs 830 grams - 400 gramms of it Propane.

[Daring Dufas : Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare]

Home depot closes at 10pm .. Go buy another one moron. They are under $10.

[The Daring Dufas]

Post by Daring Dufas : Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare
Home depot closes at 10pm .. Go buy another one moron. They are under $10.

Killer Loon, living proof that human women should never have sex with
farm animals. ^_^

TDD

[h***@sbcglobal.net]

Thank you Emma Genius.

I chilled the propane cylinder overnight in the frig, and then brought it out into the kitchen. Waited about 8 minutes and then scanned it with my temperature IR scanner. Very distinct change in case temperature over a height difference of one inch. Tank is about half full.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
Thank you Emma Genius.
I chilled the propane cylinder overnight in

the frig, and then brought it out into the kitchen.
Waited about 8 minutes and then scanned it with my
temperature IR scanner. Very distinct change in
case temperature over a height difference of one
inch. Tank is about half full.
I'd be tempted to buy a full one, and repeat the
test. If a tank is filled to half the length of the
tank, it may actually be 7/8 full. You aren't
sure, yet....

[Dean Hoffman]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
Thank you Emma Genius.
I chilled the propane cylinder overnight in

the frig, and then brought it out into the kitchen. Waited about 8
minutes and then scanned it with my temperature IR scanner. Very
distinct change in case temperature over a height difference of one
inch. Tank is about half full.
I'd be tempted to buy a full one, and repeat the test. If a tank is
filled to half the length of the tank, it may actually be 7/8 full.
You aren't sure, yet....

Now that you mention it, 85% is the fill limit on the 500 and 1000
gallon tanks for agricultural and home heating use.

[harryagain]

<***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:61fb4859-0dcf-4ac2-9768-***@googlegroups.com...
Thank you Emma Genius.

I chilled the propane cylinder overnight in the frig, and then brought it
out into the kitchen. Waited about 8 minutes and then scanned it with my
temperature IR scanner. Very distinct change in case temperature over a
height difference of one inch. Tank is about half full.

Is the full and empty weights not stamped on the cylinder?

[willshak]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by willshak
I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.

Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 21:37:44 -0500, Stormin Mormon

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by willshak
I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.

Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.

Make sure the light in the freezed goes out when you close the
freezer.

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca

Post by Stormin Mormon
Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.

Make sure the light in the freezed goes out when you close the
freezer.

Check with IR thermom?

[gregz]

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by willshak
I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.

Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.

All you have to do is pour a cup of warm water over the side. I did it with
a large tank at camp. Work well. Surprised it was almost fill.

Greg

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by willshak
I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.

Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.

Years ago, my Dad worked in the training department
of Eastman Kodak. One of his bits of wisdom
"Yesterday's solutions will be applied to today's
problems, when they are not appropriate."

[DerbyDad03]

Post by willshak

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years
old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an
important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute
drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would
be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75"
diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.

How much spot could a spotlight light if a spotlight could light spot?

[h***@sbcglobal.net]

I move to CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I move to CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!

Second!

[The Daring Dufas]

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I move to CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!

Second!

Dang! I haven't made any profane, nasty remarks or questioned anyone's
parentage yet. o_O

TDD

[Stormin Mormon]

Post by The Daring Dufas

Post by Stormin Mormon

Post by h***@sbcglobal.net
I move to CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!

Second!

Dang! I haven't made any profane, nasty remarks or questioned anyone's
parentage yet. o_O
TDD

Let me tell you why Islam is the world's fastest
growing religion. got a couple hours? It all
started when the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was
visited one day by God, and told that all the
other groups were wrong. There was no one greater
than Allah (PBUH), and Muhammed (PBUH)was to
teach God's last and final message.