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h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-01 22:09:30 UTC
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Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..


https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
John T.
Carol
2025-01-01 22:45:14 UTC
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Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
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John T.
LOL on apology! Yeah, I'm still trimming out the idiot spammers.

Here's my initial take: Never buy something with no reviews at all.
However, check and see if former versions have reviews as they can be
handy.

Things to look at: WIFI reach at your place. I have odd spots that
act like there's a metal blocker here.

Antenna, does it lock down well in position or is it weak and flopps
down?
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-01 23:41:29 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
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John T.
LOL on apology! Yeah, I'm still trimming out the idiot spammers.
Here's my initial take: Never buy something with no reviews at all.
However, check and see if former versions have reviews as they can be
handy.
Things to look at: WIFI reach at your place. I have odd spots that
act like there's a metal blocker here.
Antenna, does it lock down well in position or is it weak and flopps
down?
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
Ed P
2025-01-02 00:13:02 UTC
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I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Clare Snyder
2025-01-02 02:20:34 UTC
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I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
Ed P
2025-01-02 03:07:39 UTC
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I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel

https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-02 11:57:18 UTC
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I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar panels ?
I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long cold nights
and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
John T.
Ed P
2025-01-02 14:25:05 UTC
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Post by Ed P
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I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar panels ?
I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long cold nights
and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
John T.
My battery is always at 100%. I've checked it early in the morning and
the battery holds 99% after all night so little charge is needed.
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-02 15:42:47 UTC
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Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar panels ?
I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long cold nights
and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
John T.
My battery is always at 100%. I've checked it early in the morning and
the battery holds 99% after all night so little charge is needed.
You're in Florida ?
.. or have I got you mixed-up with someone else here..
I don't leave any batteries outside over the winter - not even in my
attached garage. I take my lawn mower battery and all my hand tool
batteries into the basement.
John T.
Frank
2025-01-02 17:07:39 UTC
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Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar panels ?
I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long cold nights
and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
John T.
My battery is always at 100%. I've checked it early in the morning and
the battery holds 99% after all night so little charge is needed.
You're in Florida ?
.. or have I got you mixed-up with someone else here..
I don't leave any batteries outside over the winter - not even in my
attached garage. I take my lawn mower battery and all my hand tool
batteries into the basement.
John T.
I understand if lithium batteries were to freeze it ruins them and EV's
are designed to use the battery to keep them warm. Nay be not used on
these devices making them unsuitable for freezing weather.

When it comes to reviews I always read the bad ones.
RJH
2025-01-02 18:12:07 UTC
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Post by Clare Snyder
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar panels ?
I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long cold nights
and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
John T.
My battery is always at 100%. I've checked it early in the morning and
the battery holds 99% after all night so little charge is needed.
You're in Florida ?
.. or have I got you mixed-up with someone else here..
I don't leave any batteries outside over the winter - not even in my
attached garage. I take my lawn mower battery and all my hand tool
batteries into the basement.
John T.
I understand if lithium batteries were to freeze it ruins them and EV's
are designed to use the battery to keep them warm. Nay be not used on
these devices making them unsuitable for freezing weather.
When it comes to reviews I always read the bad ones.
The freezing point of lithium batteries is very different to, say, water. It's
suggested that temperatures below 4F/-20C can cause problems:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/effect-of-freezing-on-lithium-ion-batteries.345524/
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Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
RJH
2025-01-02 18:13:59 UTC
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Post by Frank
I understand if lithium batteries were to freeze it ruins them and EV's
are designed to use the battery to keep them warm. Nay be not used on
these devices making them unsuitable for freezing weather.
When it comes to reviews I always read the bad ones.
The freezing point of lithium batteries is very different to, say, water. It's
*minus* 4F that should be.
Post by RJH
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/effect-of-freezing-on-lithium-ion-batteries.345524/
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Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
Carol
2025-01-02 18:28:58 UTC
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I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need
some sort of >>>>>>>> power supply and for Canadian outdoor use,
wall wart or battery >>>>>>>> supply would seem a poor choice.
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?
ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1 >>>>>> Not available for shipment to
Canada - - - >>>>> >>>>>
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel >>>>>
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar
panels ? >>>> I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long
cold nights >>>> and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
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John T.
My battery is always at 100%. I've checked it early in the
morning and >>> the battery holds 99% after all night so little
charge is needed. >>>
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
You're in Florida ?
.. or have I got you mixed-up with someone else here..
I don't leave any batteries outside over the winter - not even in
my >> attached garage. I take my lawn mower battery and all my hand
tool >> batteries into the basement.
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
I understand if lithium batteries were to freeze it ruins them and
EV's are designed to use the battery to keep them warm. Nay be not
used on these devices making them unsuitable for freezing weather.
When it comes to reviews I always read the bad ones.
The freezing point of lithium batteries is very different to, say,
water. It's suggested that temperatures below 4F/-20C can cause
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/effect-of-freezing-on-lithium-ion-batteries.345524/

In an exposed area, depending on where in Canada, he may hit -20C (at
least windchill).

Mine are WIFI but powered by a wire leading inside to an outlet. The
WIFI is problematic, which is why I warned on it.
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-02 19:33:07 UTC
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Post by RJH
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need
some sort of >>>>>>>> power supply and for Canadian outdoor use,
wall wart or battery >>>>>>>> supply would seem a poor choice.
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?
ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1 >>>>>> Not available for shipment to
Canada - - - >>>>> >>>>>
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel >>>>>
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar
panels ? >>>> I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long
cold nights >>>> and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
My battery is always at 100%. I've checked it early in the
morning and >>> the battery holds 99% after all night so little
charge is needed. >>>
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
You're in Florida ?
.. or have I got you mixed-up with someone else here..
I don't leave any batteries outside over the winter - not even in
my >> attached garage. I take my lawn mower battery and all my hand
tool >> batteries into the basement.
Post by Frank
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
I understand if lithium batteries were to freeze it ruins them and
EV's are designed to use the battery to keep them warm. Nay be not
used on these devices making them unsuitable for freezing weather.
When it comes to reviews I always read the bad ones.
The freezing point of lithium batteries is very different to, say,
water. It's suggested that temperatures below 4F/-20C can cause
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/effect-of-freezing-on-lithium-ion-batteries.345524/
In an exposed area, depending on where in Canada, he may hit -20C (at
least windchill).
Mine are WIFI but powered by a wire leading inside to an outlet. The
WIFI is problematic, which is why I warned on it.
- 20 C is normal winter weather in all-but balmy SW Ontario.
And - 30 C isn't uncommon in Jan & Feb.
Windchill only applies to human skin effect.
John T.
Clare Snyder
2025-01-03 03:42:59 UTC
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Post by Clare Snyder
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar panels ?
I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long cold nights
and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
John T.
My battery is always at 100%. I've checked it early in the morning and
the battery holds 99% after all night so little charge is needed.
You're in Florida ?
.. or have I got you mixed-up with someone else here..
I don't leave any batteries outside over the winter - not even in my
attached garage. I take my lawn mower battery and all my hand tool
batteries into the basement.
John T.
I understand if lithium batteries were to freeze it ruins them and EV's
are designed to use the battery to keep them warm. Nay be not used on
these devices making them unsuitable for freezing weather.
When it comes to reviews I always read the bad ones.
The freezing point of lithium batteries is very different to, say, water. It's
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/effect-of-freezing-on-lithium-ion-batteries.345524/
We see that every once in awhile
Carol
2025-01-02 18:25:26 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some
sort of >>>>>> power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart
or battery >>>>>> supply would seem a poor choice.
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?
ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1 >>>> Not available for shipment to Canada
- - -
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Post by Ed P
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Do you have any personal experience with these tiny solar
panels ? >> I'm very dubious about them in my situation - long cold
nights >> and very un-sunny days in my part of the world ..
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
My battery is always at 100%. I've checked it early in the morning
and the battery holds 99% after all night so little charge is
needed.
You're in Florida ?
.. or have I got you mixed-up with someone else here..
I don't leave any batteries outside over the winter - not even in my
attached garage. I take my lawn mower battery and all my hand tool
batteries into the basement.
John T.
You are best off going wired for power under those conditions. Yes, Ed
moved to Florida (Ed, about 5 years ago?)
Clare Snyder
2025-01-03 03:38:45 UTC
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I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Says "cannot be delivered to your location" when I check
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-03 13:09:16 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Not available for shipment to Canada - - -
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Says "cannot be delivered to your location" when I check
I don't normally expect that a product link, posted here,
is meant for people to actually _buy_ from that supplier -
- but rather an _info_ link to look into that product's
features and then shop around for it or something similar
from the best supplier. Maybe that's just me.
John T.
Carol
2025-01-03 17:25:46 UTC
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Post by Ed P
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I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some
sort of >>>>> power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart
or battery >>>>> supply would seem a poor choice.
Post by Clare Snyder
Post by Ed P
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
John T.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Small-Solar-Panel-Spotlight/dp/B09YGLYSDM?
ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1 >>> Not available for shipment to Canada -
- -
Post by Clare Snyder
Post by Ed P
https://www.amazon.ca/ring-solar-panel/s?k=ring+solar+panel
https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/ring-4w-usbc-solar-panel-white/
Post by Clare Snyder
Says "cannot be delivered to your location" when I check
I don't normally expect that a product link, posted here,
is meant for people to actually buy from that supplier -
- but rather an info link to look into that product's
features and then shop around for it or something similar
from the best supplier. Maybe that's just me.
John T.
Don't worry John, folks use the links just to get an idea of the
product.
Clare Snyder
2025-01-02 02:16:03 UTC
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On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 22:45:14 -0000 (UTC), "Carol"
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
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John T.
LOL on apology! Yeah, I'm still trimming out the idiot spammers.
Here's my initial take: Never buy something with no reviews at all.
However, check and see if former versions have reviews as they can be
handy.
Things to look at: WIFI reach at your place. I have odd spots that
act like there's a metal blocker here.
Antenna, does it lock down well in position or is it weak and flopps
down?
I'm trying to avoid the wi-fi models - they need some sort of
power supply and for Canadian outdoor use, wall wart or battery
supply would seem a poor choice.
John T.
That Lorex double header looks like a pretty good system, John.The
WIFI capability allows you to run a remote camera if you want (like a
camera mounted in your car or truck for extended coverage when parked)
Dan Espen
2025-01-01 22:59:35 UTC
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Sorry for the on-topic post.
LOL
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A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
That seems pretty expensive. I've got 3 of those Google Nest Door
Bell/Cameras. One at each door. They connect to my Wifi and are powered
by the doorbell wiring with a built in battery. They also interoperate with my ADT security system.
I don't need to store the video. Google/Nest does that.

I don't think I know enough about all the other options to say it's the
best system. I like the Google stuff because I also use Google
thermostats and speakers.
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h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-01 23:47:16 UTC
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Sorry for the on-topic post.
LOL
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
That seems pretty expensive. I've got 3 of those Google Nest Door
Bell/Cameras. One at each door. They connect to my Wifi and are powered
by the doorbell wiring with a built in battery. They also interoperate with my ADT security system.
I don't need to store the video. Google/Nest does that.
I don't think I know enough about all the other options to say it's the
best system. I like the Google stuff because I also use Google
thermostats and speakers.
Thanks for the reply.
A doorbell unit might be my fall-back option, if I can't get network
cable snaked where I need it.
What function does the battery serve ? if the device is powered
by the doorbell wires ?
John T.
Ed P
2025-01-02 00:09:52 UTC
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A doorbell unit might be my fall-back option, if I can't get network
cable snaked where I need it.
What function does the battery serve ? if the device is powered
by the doorbell wires ?
John T.
I have a Ring setup. Started with the doorbell and added a couple of
cameras.
The doorbell has no battery but does connect to Wi-Fi. I later added an
indoor camera that plugs in. I only activate that when I go away.

Front of the house is covered by a camera mounted over the garage frame.
It has a battery, but is charged by a small solar panel.

All are motion sensitive and save the recording to view on phone or
computer. The one over the front has a siren, but I have it turned off.
Dan Espen
2025-01-02 03:05:38 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
A doorbell unit might be my fall-back option, if I can't get network
cable snaked where I need it.
What function does the battery serve ? if the device is powered
by the doorbell wires ?
John T.
I have a Ring setup. Started with the doorbell and added a couple of
cameras.
The doorbell has no battery but does connect to Wi-Fi. I later added
an indoor camera that plugs in. I only activate that when I go away.
Front of the house is covered by a camera mounted over the garage
frame. It has a battery, but is charged by a small solar panel.
All are motion sensitive and save the recording to view on phone or
computer. The one over the front has a siren, but I have it turned off.
I've seen the ring units. The Google Nest stuff is similar except they
have the backup battery. The Gooogle recording is pretty cool, you can tell it
you want vehicles, people, animals, or motion. If there is a package, it tells
you about it. After you record a face it will tell you who is there.
--
Dan Espen
Clare Snyder
2025-01-02 02:19:03 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
LOL
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
That seems pretty expensive. I've got 3 of those Google Nest Door
Bell/Cameras. One at each door. They connect to my Wifi and are powered
by the doorbell wiring with a built in battery. They also interoperate with my ADT security system.
I don't need to store the video. Google/Nest does that.
I don't think I know enough about all the other options to say it's the
best system. I like the Google stuff because I also use Google
thermostats and speakers.
Thanks for the reply.
A doorbell unit might be my fall-back option, if I can't get network
cable snaked where I need it.
What function does the battery serve ? if the device is powered
by the doorbell wires ?
John T.
The other option with POE is to use an ethernet accrss point and POE
tap to run the camera as a wifi camera - all you need is to get power
to it - no need to get cabled to the recorder.
Dan Espen
2025-01-02 03:00:17 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
LOL
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
That seems pretty expensive. I've got 3 of those Google Nest Door
Bell/Cameras. One at each door. They connect to my Wifi and are powered
by the doorbell wiring with a built in battery. They also interoperate with my ADT security system.
I don't need to store the video. Google/Nest does that.
I don't think I know enough about all the other options to say it's the
best system. I like the Google stuff because I also use Google
thermostats and speakers.
Thanks for the reply.
A doorbell unit might be my fall-back option, if I can't get network
cable snaked where I need it.
What function does the battery serve ? if the device is powered
by the doorbell wires ?
The battery is dual purpose.
If you loose power, your camera is still functional and recording.
The battery can also just power the camera. 2 of my doors have doorbell wiring.
For them, the doorbell wiring charges the battery and the battery never
runs down. One of my doors has no doorbell wiring so I have the take
the camera down every 3 or 4 weeks and charge it with a USB C cable.
It tells you in advance that the battery is low so it's really no problem.

Since I have Google Nest speakers, the door without doorbell wiring
still works as a doorbell, since you can program the doorbell to
communicate with the speaker to announce visitors over WIFI.

Each doorbell plays a different tune and you can program it to announce
which door.

This all works with the Google Home App on a phone or tablet or
http://home.google.com on a desktop.
--
Dan Espen
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-02 12:59:03 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
LOL
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
That seems pretty expensive. I've got 3 of those Google Nest Door
Bell/Cameras. One at each door. They connect to my Wifi and are powered
by the doorbell wiring with a built in battery. They also interoperate with my ADT security system.
I don't need to store the video. Google/Nest does that.
I don't think I know enough about all the other options to say it's the
best system. I like the Google stuff because I also use Google
thermostats and speakers.
Thanks for the reply.
A doorbell unit might be my fall-back option, if I can't get network
cable snaked where I need it.
What function does the battery serve ? if the device is powered
by the doorbell wires ?
The battery is dual purpose.
If you loose power, your camera is still functional and recording.
The battery can also just power the camera. 2 of my doors have doorbell wiring.
For them, the doorbell wiring charges the battery and the battery never
runs down. One of my doors has no doorbell wiring so I have the take
the camera down every 3 or 4 weeks and charge it with a USB C cable.
It tells you in advance that the battery is low so it's really no problem.
Since I have Google Nest speakers, the door without doorbell wiring
still works as a doorbell, since you can program the doorbell to
communicate with the speaker to announce visitors over WIFI.
Each doorbell plays a different tune and you can program it to announce
which door.
This all works with the Google Home App on a phone or tablet or
http://home.google.com on a desktop.
I appreciate the reply, and the much-younger-me might enjoy
learning about all the gadgetry - but I've become a Luddite
in my dotage. I refer to my smart-phone as my texting device
and I struggle to answer an actual voice call when it rings ...
Delivery people _never_ ring the doorbell in my world -
they drop the parcel and hurry away - no need to talk to them.
I don't know - but I suspect - that the number of false notifications
to my phone would eventually compel me to block them ..
John T.
Dan Espen
2025-01-02 16:23:22 UTC
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Post by Dan Espen
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
LOL
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
That seems pretty expensive. I've got 3 of those Google Nest Door
Bell/Cameras. One at each door. They connect to my Wifi and are powered
by the doorbell wiring with a built in battery. They also interoperate with my ADT security system.
I don't need to store the video. Google/Nest does that.
I don't think I know enough about all the other options to say it's the
best system. I like the Google stuff because I also use Google
thermostats and speakers.
Thanks for the reply.
A doorbell unit might be my fall-back option, if I can't get network
cable snaked where I need it.
What function does the battery serve ? if the device is powered
by the doorbell wires ?
The battery is dual purpose.
If you loose power, your camera is still functional and recording.
The battery can also just power the camera. 2 of my doors have doorbell wiring.
For them, the doorbell wiring charges the battery and the battery never
runs down. One of my doors has no doorbell wiring so I have the take
the camera down every 3 or 4 weeks and charge it with a USB C cable.
It tells you in advance that the battery is low so it's really no problem.
Since I have Google Nest speakers, the door without doorbell wiring
still works as a doorbell, since you can program the doorbell to
communicate with the speaker to announce visitors over WIFI.
Each doorbell plays a different tune and you can program it to announce
which door.
This all works with the Google Home App on a phone or tablet or
http://home.google.com on a desktop.
I appreciate the reply, and the much-younger-me might enjoy
Old? 79 here.
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
learning about all the gadgetry - but I've become a Luddite
in my dotage. I refer to my smart-phone as my texting device
and I struggle to answer an actual voice call when it rings ...
Get older. When I answer the phone now, I tap my ear twice.
(My hearing aids have bluetooth.) Making a call is as simple as saying:

"Hey Google call John".
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Delivery people _never_ ring the doorbell in my world -
they drop the parcel and hurry away - no need to talk to them.
Delivery people only ring when I have to sign for a package.
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
I don't know - but I suspect - that the number of false notifications
to my phone would eventually compel me to block them ..
Notifications are optional.

I let the doorbells notify me because all I hear is a beep in my hearing
aid. Taking the phone out of my pocket and looking is optional.

Yes, setting this stuff up can be challenging. There is no shortage of
people that will do it for you but it's worthwhile learning how to do it
yourself.
--
Dan Espen
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-02 16:30:48 UTC
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Yes, setting this stuff up can be challenging. There is no shortage of
people that will do it for you but it's worthwhile learning how to do it
yourself.
My learning _curve_ has flat-lined I fear. :-)
John T.
Carol
2025-01-02 18:37:20 UTC
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Post by Dan Espen
Yes, setting this stuff up can be challenging. There is no
shortage of people that will do it for you but it's worthwhile
learning how to do it yourself.
My learning curve has flat-lined I fear. :-)
John T.
LOL, I know the feeling.
Carol
2025-01-02 18:32:34 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
LOL
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
Post by Dan Espen
That seems pretty expensive. I've got 3 of those Google Nest Door
Bell/Cameras. One at each door. They connect to my Wifi and are
powered by the doorbell wiring with a built in battery. They also
interoperate with my ADT security system. I don't need to store the
video. Google/Nest does that.
I don't think I know enough about all the other options to say it's
the best system. I like the Google stuff because I also use Google
thermostats and speakers.
I put a ring doorbell in just like yours. I also have a ZoZi 4 camera
setup that is the one problematic element. It doesn't record but it
loses signal all the time. Still a nice deterrent though as 'they'
don't know that.
Mark Lloyd
2025-01-03 19:30:48 UTC
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Post by Carol
I put a ring doorbell in just like yours. I also have a ZoZi 4 camera
setup that is the one problematic element. It doesn't record but it
loses signal all the time. Still a nice deterrent though as 'they'
don't know that.
I have cameras at my doors.

One interesting effect is that some of the kids that come on Halloween may
not know how I can answer the door so quickly after (or even before) they
ring the bell.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

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not dazzled by the divine radiance." [Bertrand Russell]
Jill McQuown
2025-01-23 09:07:32 UTC
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Carol says...
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Post by Dan Espen
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
LOL
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
Post by Dan Espen
That seems pretty expensive. I've got 3 of those Google Nest Door
Bell/Cameras. One at each door. They connect to my Wifi and are
powered by the doorbell wiring with a built in battery. They also
interoperate with my ADT security system. I don't need to store the
video. Google/Nest does that.
I don't think I know enough about all the other options to say it's
the best system. I like the Google stuff because I also use Google
thermostats and speakers.
I put a ring doorbell in just like yours. I also have a ZoZi 4 camera
setup that is the one problematic element. It doesn't record but it
loses signal all the time. Still a nice deterrent though as 'they'
don't know that.
Someone rang the doorbell while I was masturbating.

"One sec, I'm coming!"

Jill

Clare Snyder
2025-01-02 02:10:36 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
John T.
Sounds like a good plan. The only ones I have first hand experience
with are Axis Power over Ethernet is the best technology. Anything
wireless is suspect and subject to interference/jamming/whatever.
Wifi is second choice, but you need to run power wires anyway so
unless it is remote (like camera on another building with power
available) POe is best.
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-02 13:09:23 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
John T.
Sounds like a good plan. The only ones I have first hand experience
with are Axis Power over Ethernet is the best technology. Anything
wireless is suspect and subject to interference/jamming/whatever.
Wifi is second choice, but you need to run power wires anyway so
unless it is remote (like camera on another building with power
available) POe is best.
The price-tag is a bit scary but the cheaper systems seem to be
sold-out everywhere. WalMart has a Swann wifi system -
2 camera ; 1 terabyte ; that is much more reasonably priced -
.. has me thinking about it ..

https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Swann-1080p-4-Channel-1TB-Hard-Drive-Wi-Fi-NVR-Security-System-with-2-x-Cameras-with-Controllable-Spotlights-and-Sirens-White/3K0KXUZ6V3BT?from=/search
Older out-dated video quality perhaps but I don't think that's
a show-stopper. I'm guessing that the wifi from my front porch
to my router would be OK. I just need to envision a suitable
power supply source and snake-route ..
John T.
Clare Snyder
2025-01-03 03:41:39 UTC
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Post by Clare Snyder
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
John T.
Sounds like a good plan. The only ones I have first hand experience
with are Axis Power over Ethernet is the best technology. Anything
wireless is suspect and subject to interference/jamming/whatever.
Wifi is second choice, but you need to run power wires anyway so
unless it is remote (like camera on another building with power
available) POe is best.
The price-tag is a bit scary but the cheaper systems seem to be
sold-out everywhere. WalMart has a Swann wifi system -
2 camera ; 1 terabyte ; that is much more reasonably priced -
.. has me thinking about it ..
https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Swann-1080p-4-Channel-1TB-Hard-Drive-Wi-Fi-NVR-Security-System-with-2-x-Cameras-with-Controllable-Spotlights-and-Sirens-White/3K0KXUZ6V3BT?from=/search
Older out-dated video quality perhaps but I don't think that's
a show-stopper. I'm guessing that the wifi from my front porch
to my router would be OK. I just need to envision a suitable
power supply source and snake-route ..
John T.
Don't waste your money on a system with crappy vider. Worse than
useless - because not only can't you see who robbed you, but you also
got robbed whenyou bought it. - at ANY price
h***@ccanoemail.com
2025-01-03 13:26:25 UTC
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Post by Clare Snyder
Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
John T.
Sounds like a good plan. The only ones I have first hand experience
with are Axis Power over Ethernet is the best technology. Anything
wireless is suspect and subject to interference/jamming/whatever.
Wifi is second choice, but you need to run power wires anyway so
unless it is remote (like camera on another building with power
available) POe is best.
The price-tag is a bit scary but the cheaper systems seem to be
sold-out everywhere. WalMart has a Swann wifi system -
2 camera ; 1 terabyte ; that is much more reasonably priced -
.. has me thinking about it ..
https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Swann-1080p-4-Channel-1TB-Hard-Drive-Wi-Fi-NVR-Security-System-with-2-x-Cameras-with-Controllable-Spotlights-and-Sirens-White/3K0KXUZ6V3BT?from=/search
Older out-dated video quality perhaps but I don't think that's
a show-stopper. I'm guessing that the wifi from my front porch
to my router would be OK. I just need to envision a suitable
power supply source and snake-route ..
John T.
Don't waste your money on a system with crappy vider. Worse than
useless - because not only can't you see who robbed you, but you also
got robbed whenyou bought it. - at ANY price
It would be interesting to see the Swann high def. 1080p bullet cam
in a nighttime side-by-side comparison with a higher def.
doorbell cam. My money is on the bigger camera.
In full daylight I suspect both would be fine.
Just judging by the night-photo a neighbour posted from his
doorbell cam .. very poor quality.
John T.
Dirty Harry
2025-01-02 11:40:58 UTC
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Post by h***@ccanoemail.com
Sorry for the on-topic post.
A recent daytime burglary in my area has me looking into
installing a security camera or two. I think I'd prefer a
PoE < power over ethernet > camera feeding a 2 tera-byte
NVR < network video recorder > example link below.
Any experience or advice is welcome.
I'm not really interested in the fancy features - most require
more smart-phone savvy and data than I have ..
https://www.costco.ca/lorex-fusion-4k-16-channel-2tb-nvr-system-with-two-180-panoramic-cameras.product.4000286146.html
John T.
The daytime burglary is likely the result of some libtards catch-n-release program and/or an open border.
If you want to make a meaningful impact on crime, a canine early warning system and some hot lead injectors are your best bet.


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