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John Smyth
2024-10-14 12:40:55 UTC
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Leading mental health experts, including a former White House doctor, have
expressed alarm over Donald Trump’s mental faculties, suggesting he’s
showing signs of “cognitive decline.”

Several experts told The Independent their concerns about the Republican
presidential nominee are similar to those they had about President Joe
Biden before he dropped out of the race, warning Trump appears to “have
lost touch with reality,” as exhibited by the 78-year-old’s “rambling”
speeches and “erratic” debate performance.

They join a growing number of mental health professionals calling for
independent and objective cognitive testing as November’s election edges
closer.

Biden, 81, faced a deluge of questions about his mental fitness for another
four years in office following his disastrous debate against Trump in June
when he repeatedly stumbled over his words and trailed off. Now, all eyes
are on Trump, who is prone to incoherent tangents and bizarre musings.

That was on full display at Monday night’s rally in Pennsylvania, where
Trump was mocked for his “word salads.”He said of Kamala Harris: “She had
the other interview with the other guy who was a nice guy I think from
Philadelphia from Pennsylvania, he was a nice guy, he was asking her all
these [inaudible] — the daily take — they don’t take like I do! Anybody
wants to go, go what the hell differences they make — they have — and how
dishonest was ABC...”

But Trump insists he is “cognitively very strong.”
On the campaign trail in Potterville, Michigan, Trump leapfrogged from one
random topic to another
On the campaign trail in Potterville, Michigan, Trump leapfrogged from one
random topic to another (Getty Images)

Earlier this month a professor of psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medical
College, Richard A. Friedman, said he was “alarmed” by what he witnessed
during Trump’s debate performance on September 10. In an op-ed for The
Atlantic, he said Trump “displayed some striking, if familiar, patterns
that are commonly seen among people in cognitive decline.”

Dr. Ben Michaelis, a clinical psychologist who has previously carried out
cognitive assessments for the New York Supreme Court, agrees. He told The
Independent that Trump is “really not in a strong cognitive place.”

Michaelis — who stressed he has not examined Trump in person and could not
offer any formal diagnosis — watched the former president’s debate against
Kamala Harris earlier this month, noting that it started at 9 p.m.

“There’s a term when you’re talking about people with dementia called
sundowning, it’s a lot harder for them as the day goes on,” he said,
suggesting it appeared Trump could have been experiencing those symptoms.

“It’s very difficult for them to maintain focus on a topic,” he continued.
“The idea of being able to maintain that level of focus for that amount of
time, that late in the day…you wouldn’t think twice about it if that was
your grandfather. It’s just he happens to be running for president.”

When it comes to Trump’s rambling speeches, where he has often veered from
one unrelated topic to another, Michaelis said it struck him as
“logorrhoea” — the Greek word meaning excessive talking — which can be
associated with dementia.

An example of this was at a speech in Potterville, Michigan, where Trump
leapfrogged from talking about how he lost billions of dollars in San
Francisco to where he ranks in a list of “horribly” treated presidents. In
another speech, he began talking about bacon and within a minute had moved
on to wind turbines.

Trump has addressed his tendency to venture off topic, bragging about what
he calls “the weave.”
Psychiatrists observed Trump in the debate and said he displayed patterns
seen in people in cognitive decline
Psychiatrists observed Trump in the debate and said he displayed patterns
seen in people in cognitive decline (AP)

“When I do the weave...I’ll talk about nine different things and they all
come back brilliantly together,” he said. “Friends of mine that are English
professors, they say: ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen.’”

But the experts don’t agree. “It’s excessive incoherent talking,” Michaelis
said.

“Again, I am not diagnosing him with anything, but it can be a symptom of
significant mental illness or dementia. [It is] that inability to maintain
focus and to move in a sort of tangential way from topic to topic.

“If you’re observing him, [the topics] don’t seem at all connected but they
may have some random connection in his mind, that’s what seems to be
happening.”

Allen Frances is a professor and the chair emeritus of psychiatry at the
Duke School of Medicine as well as the architect of the DSM-IV — the manual
for diagnostic criteria of a range of mental disorders.

Frances is “very much opposed to the misuse of the diagnostic system,” and
in 2016 he did not believe Trump displayed symptoms of a mental health
disorder.

But, from what he has observed from afar, Frances told The Independent he
believes the dial has now shifted, and it is likely Trump “has deteriorated
a great deal” since he was in office.

“First off, he seems pretty incoherent,” he said. “It’s hard for him not to
be tangential, circumstantial, not to stay on message. He’s all over the
place.”

Frances cited examples of unfounded claims Trump made in the debate: that
babies are “being executed” after birth, schools are performing surgery on
children, and Haitian immigrants are eating pets. “The things he’s saying
suggest he’s really lost touch with reality,” he said. “It seems to me
likely — although we can’t be definitive about saying anything about anyone
at a distance — it seems likely he has deteriorated a great deal.”

The psychiatrist, who conceded there is a possibility Trump’s behavior can
also be explained as a deliberate attempt to appeal to specific voters,
argued there should be “an upper age limit” for candidates running for the
presidency.


Former White House physician Dr. Jeffrey Kuhlman, who has cared for
Presidents Obama, Bush, and Clinton, agrees there should be a cap on the
age of presidential candidates if they will not agree to undergo objective
cognitive assessments.

“We don’t let you be an airline pilot because of public safety past the age
of 65, we don’t let you be an FBI agent past the age of 57,” he told The
Independent. “[The President] has the most powerful position in the free
world.”

Kuhlman, who has never medically examined Trump, said independent cognitive
testing would provide a “much better objective picture” of whether a
candidate has some cognitive decline — which he added everybody has to some
degree after the age of 60 — or if there is a presence of progressive
dementia.

Dementia is more common for those in their eighties, “which Donald Trump
will be in about a year and a half,” Kuhlman notes.

A cognitive assessment tests a person’s vocabulary, spatial visualization,
reasoning, memory and speed. “So we know the vocabulary usually stays about
the same, but those other four drastically start falling off past the age
of 70,” Kuhlman explains.

Kuhlman — whose bookTransforming Presidential Healthcare: Ensuring
Comprehensive Care for the Commander in Chief Amid 21st Century Threats is
out now — concurs with the observations of his peers.

“If you listen to the debate, or if you listen to his speech every day,
what’s missing is reasoning or that critical decision making,” he said.
MummyChunk
2024-10-16 19:50:24 UTC
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Leading mental health experts, including a former White Hous
doctor, have
Post by John Smyth
expressed alarm over Donald Trump’s mental faculties, suggestin
he’s
Post by John Smyth
showing signs of “cognitive decline.
Several experts told The Independent their concerns about th
Republican
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presidential nominee are similar to those they had about Presiden
Joe
Post by John Smyth
Biden before he dropped out of the race, warning Trump appears t
“have
Post by John Smyth
lost touch with reality,” as exhibited by the 78-year-old’
“rambling”
Post by John Smyth
speeches and “erratic” debate performance
They join a growing number of mental health professionals callin
for
Post by John Smyth
independent and objective cognitive testing as November’s electio
edges
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closer
Biden, 81, faced a deluge of questions about his mental fitness fo
another
Post by John Smyth
four years in office following his disastrous debate against Trum
in June
Post by John Smyth
when he repeatedly stumbled over his words and trailed off. Now
all eyes
Post by John Smyth
are on Trump, who is prone to incoherent tangents and bizarr
musings
Post by John Smyth
That was on full display at Monday night’s rally in Pennsylvania
where
Post by John Smyth
Trump was mocked for his “word salads.”He said of Kamala Harris
“She had
Post by John Smyth
the other interview with the other guy who was a nice guy I thin
from
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Philadelphia from Pennsylvania, he was a nice guy, he was askin
her all
Post by John Smyth
these — the daily take — they don’t take like I do
Anybody
Post by John Smyth
wants to go, go what the hell differences they make — they have
and how
Post by John Smyth
dishonest was ABC...
But Trump insists he is “cognitively very strong.
On the campaign trail in Potterville, Michigan, Trump leapfrogge
from one
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random topic to anothe
On the campaign trail in Potterville, Michigan, Trump leapfrogge
from one
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random topic to another (Getty Images
Earlier this month a professor of psychiatry at Weill Cornel
Medical
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College, Richard A. Friedman, said he was “alarmed” by what h
witnessed
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during Trump’s debate performance on September 10. In an op-ed fo
The
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Atlantic, he said Trump “displayed some striking, if familiar
patterns
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that are commonly seen among people in cognitive decline.
Dr. Ben Michaelis, a clinical psychologist who has previousl
carried out
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cognitive assessments for the New York Supreme Court, agrees. H
told The
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Independent that Trump is “really not in a strong cognitive place.
Michaelis — who stressed he has not examined Trump in person an
could not
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offer any formal diagnosis — watched the former president’s debat
against
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Kamala Harris earlier this month, noting that it started at 9 p.m
“There’s a term when you’re talking about people with dementi
called
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sundowning, it’s a lot harder for them as the day goes on,” h
said,
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suggesting it appeared Trump could have been experiencing thos
symptoms
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“It’s very difficult for them to maintain focus on a topic,” h
continued.
Post by John Smyth
“The idea of being able to maintain that level of focus for tha
amount of
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time, that late in the day…you wouldn’t think twice about it i
that was
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your grandfather. It’s just he happens to be running fo
president.
Post by John Smyth
When it comes to Trump’s rambling speeches, where he has ofte
veered from
Post by John Smyth
one unrelated topic to another, Michaelis said it struck him as
“logorrhoea” — the Greek word meaning excessive talking — which ca
be
Post by John Smyth
associated with dementia
An example of this was at a speech in Potterville, Michigan, wher
Trump
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leapfrogged from talking about how he lost billions of dollars i
San
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Francisco to where he ranks in a list of “horribly” treate
presidents. In
Post by John Smyth
another speech, he began talking about bacon and within a minut
had moved
Post by John Smyth
on to wind turbines
Trump has addressed his tendency to venture off topic, braggin
about what
Post by John Smyth
he calls “the weave.
Psychiatrists observed Trump in the debate and said he displaye
patterns
Post by John Smyth
seen in people in cognitive declin
Psychiatrists observed Trump in the debate and said he displaye
patterns
Post by John Smyth
seen in people in cognitive decline (AP
“When I do the weave...I’ll talk about nine different things and they all
come back brilliantly together,” he said. “Friends of mine that are English
professors, they say: ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen.’”
But the experts don’t agree. “It’s excessive incoherent talking,” Michaelis
said.
“Again, I am not diagnosing him with anything, but it can be a symptom of
significant mental illness or dementia. [It is] that inability to maintain
focus and to move in a sort of tangential way from topic to topic.
“If you’re observing him, [the topics] don’t seem at all connected but they
may have some random connection in his mind, that’s what seems to be
happening.”
Allen Frances is a professor and the chair emeritus of psychiatry at the
Duke School of Medicine as well as the architect of the DSM-IV — the manual
for diagnostic criteria of a range of mental disorders.
Frances is “very much opposed to the misuse of the diagnostic
system,” and
Post by John Smyth
in 2016 he did not believe Trump displayed symptoms of a mental health
disorder.
But, from what he has observed from afar, Frances told The
Independent he
Post by John Smyth
believes the dial has now shifted, and it is likely Trump “has deteriorated
a great deal” since he was in office.
“First off, he seems pretty incoherent,” he said. “It’s hard for him not to
be tangential, circumstantial, not to stay on message. He’s all over the
place.”
Frances cited examples of unfounded claims Trump made in the
debate: that
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babies are “being executed” after birth, schools are performing surgery on
children, and Haitian immigrants are eating pets. “The things he’s saying
suggest he’s really lost touch with reality,” he said. “It seems to me
likely — although we can’t be definitive about saying anything about anyone
at a distance — it seems likely he has deteriorated a great deal.”
The psychiatrist, who conceded there is a possibility Trump’s
behavior can
Post by John Smyth
also be explained as a deliberate attempt to appeal to specific voters,
argued there should be “an upper age limit” for candidates running for the
presidency.
Former White House physician Dr. Jeffrey Kuhlman, who has cared for
Presidents Obama, Bush, and Clinton, agrees there should be a cap on the
age of presidential candidates if they will not agree to undergo objective
cognitive assessments.
“We don’t let you be an airline pilot because of public safety past the age
of 65, we don’t let you be an FBI agent past the age of 57,” he told The
Independent. “[The President] has the most powerful position in the free
world.”
Kuhlman, who has never medically examined Trump, said independent cognitive
testing would provide a “much better objective picture” of whether a
candidate has some cognitive decline — which he added everybody has to some
degree after the age of 60 — or if there is a presence of
progressive
Post by John Smyth
dementia.
Dementia is more common for those in their eighties, “which Donald Trump
will be in about a year and a half,” Kuhlman notes.
A cognitive assessment tests a person’s vocabulary, spatial
visualization,
Post by John Smyth
reasoning, memory and speed. “So we know the vocabulary usually stays about
the same, but those other four drastically start falling off past the age
of 70,” Kuhlman explains.
Kuhlman — whose bookTransforming Presidential Healthcare: Ensuring
Comprehensive Care for the Commander in Chief Amid 21st Century Threats is
out now — concurs with the observations of his peers.
“If you listen to the debate, or if you listen to his speech every day,
what’s missing is reasoning or that critical decision making,” he said.
Wonder if we ever will have a younger (sub 50)
presidential candidate again?


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Pierre Delecto Romney
2024-10-16 19:53:57 UTC
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Wonder if we ever will have a younger (sub 50)
presidential candidate again?
Are you dense?

And what proximate value do you put on lack of life experience?

Did being "young" save Jack Kennedy from the deep state?
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Glenn Gilbert aka X
2024-10-17 01:49:23 UTC
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Post by MummyChunk
Wonder if we ever will have a younger (sub 50)
presidential candidate again?
Are you dense?
And what proximate value do you put on lack of life experience?
Did being "young" save Jack Kennedy from the deep state?
Trump is like an effeminant old fag now that he's almost 80.

He'll burst a blood vessel to his brain soon.

Did you hear that Putin is on his death bed? Announcement soon.



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