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http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/Waterproofing-concrete-tile-roof-with-Elastomeric-paint-148103-.htm
Post by miamicuseLocation is Miami Florida. I am going to repaint my house. Single
story CBS (Concrete Block Stucco) with a concrete tile roof.
The concrete tile roof was partially damaged during hurricane
Wilma, the roofing company came out and repaired with some new tiles -
same size same model but different color, since that was all they had
in stock I was not in a position to be picky (roofing contractors are
hard to find and book in our areas). So anyways I have now a roof with
80% old tiles, a little faded gray color and 20% new bright white
tiles. I am considering repainting the roof.
After doing some research on the net, it seems there are a significant
amount
of people who thinks this is not a good idea because the paint will
eventually
break down and decompose after a short time under the extreme heat and rain
in Florida.
I did find this site which claims success.
http://www.somay.com/manufact/water/waterproofing_case_histories.html
http://www.somay.com/manufact/water/842barrel0002.jpg
Treat Surface with Chlorine to Kill Mold, Mildew, Fungus
High Pressure Water Blast to Completely Clean Surface
SOMAY Product No. 777 - "PST" 100% Poly-Acrylic Primer,
Sealer
Color: Clear
SOMAY Product No. 992 - SOMAY Elastomeric "PATCH &
SEAL" (Caulk) to seal
all joints
SOMAY Product No. 842, SOMAY Elastomeric "ROOF MASTIC",
Sealer & Protector
Apply at 20 mils dry film thickness for each coat
Color: White
Total: 40 mils dry film thickness for all 3 coats
So what I don\'t understand is this. When they said "Intermediate
Step ...
seal all joints" do they mean they seal the edge of each tile? So that
there is no water to go under any tile? and 40 mils of all 3 coasts is very
thick! This is like covering the roof completely with one continuous
layer...right?
Mc
All Surface Restorations and Preservations Inc. Blog
Don't Re Roof Weatherproof @ 1/2 the cost
THINGS THE CUSTOMER SHOULD KNOW&THE; QUESTIONS THE CUSTOMER SHOULD ASK
WHEN CONSIDERING PURCHASING AN ADVERTISED ROOF WEATHERPROOFING PAINT
SEALANT SYSTEM TO STOP LEAKS OR TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE EXISTING ROOF.
Read the fine print and be sure to get any and all warranties and
guarantees in writing:
Florida Rules: Regarding the roofing industry for leak guarantees must be
a minimum of 2 years. It also states that unusual wind condition of 65
miles per hour or above will void any previous roof repair or new roof
installation warranties. This can vary depending upon the contractor
and/or the system being installed. In any event, be sure to inquire about
the fine print on the written warranties presented and how this may affect
you in the event of a storm.
If any contractor advertises they are a participating contractor, they use
FPL Energy Star rated products, the products they install are FPL Star
rated and they state that you get 50 cents per square foot rebate,LIKE
Somay Roof Repair Coating,Acrylux Roof Paint ,Acry-tech roof seal or The
Roof Guy.
Translation is, all the programs listed in and above were designed to
encourage the public to help conserve energy consumption and we applaud
their efforts, some of these benefits are for example having your roof
painted white are obvious, it saves on cooling costs by lowering demand
for the electric to run your ac, saves on ac repairs since your ac systems
are not under as much stress, using products like Elastomeric is also
important because you want it to perform as long as possible, getting paid
to do this is even better, right.
Be careful here many of the offers we have examined are selling the sizzle
not the steak.
FACTS:
1. If the contractor is a partner, the REBATE CHECK comes to the
contracting firm not the homeowner any other transaction is unlawful, no
roof contractor gives anyone 50 cents per sq ft to work on your roof,
price/mark up /mark down to where they needed to be AS THE RULE not the
exception.
2. The pressure cleaning and application of white paints or Elastomeric
DOES NOT add wind lift strength ON TILE ROOFS to any substantial levels
and the ONLY TEST THAT PROVES that is the Miami-Dade County State of
Florida approved TAS-106. After the job is completed to demonstrate that
the tile are permanently locked down and can resist real hurricane force
winds and projectiles Up-Lift Test Video
3. By applying a paint or Elastomeric DOES NOT make your roof seamless or
monolithic at all points and by itself is not a multi layered system, is
not able to stop leaks ,unless they are dug out and dried back in with
conventional methods., ONLY EXCEPTION if they are actually installing a
monolithic hard coat over every sq inch of the surface of the roof first
APPLYING SEVERAL thick layers of coatings over a several days See How It's
Done
4. The to be a FPL partner or have your product Energy Star rated does not
require sufficient detailed evidence AND VERIFICATION of documentation
from the contractors installation work actually undertaken or the
manufacturers records that any roofs were installed with their products on
them for no less than a 3 year period, prior to a slit sample removal of
the weathered product and supposed jobsite in question.
CONCLUSION
NOTE: OUR PRODUCT IS being submitted with the additional documentation and
we will continue to endeavor to present the steak, not the sizzle.
Additional Questions The Customer Should Ask
How long has the company been in business?
Do they specialize in roof painting and waterproofing?
Do they have the required license and insurance?
Does the contractor have verifiable roof references over five years/over
10 years in his or her actual name? How many times have they been
cleaned/repainted and at what cost?
What products are being used (within South Florida)?
Roofprotect manufactured by All Surface Restorations&Preservations inc. is
the only one that can be submerged under water for prolonged periods
without subsequent damage due to saturation to the coating, providing it
is installed properly over the surface it's being applied to and
maintained with minimum amount of maintenance/or re-top coating.
FACT:
1. The complete Roof Shield System utilizing Roofprotect products is the
only tile coating process to have a wind lift tested strength rating
results of 100lbs of lift resistance and greater, which is = to 300 to 600
mph wind pressures, another words the roof will come off at the hip before
the tile are breached
2 .All Surface Restorations & Preservations Inc. manufactured & installed
the Roof Shield System utilizing Roofprotect products on all of jobsites
listed on its references pages and holds the original contracts for the
those jobsite testimonials,
3. The only company that warrantees the exiting roof tile attachment to a
cat 5 after the Roof Shield System utilizing Roofprotect products are
applied to an exiting older cement tile, shingle, barrel tile roof.
4. Roofprotect roof acrylic coating that has a zero blistering test
results after cure in prolonged submersion in water and the in the field o
saturation documented on long term projects.
5. Lloyds of London has acknowledged the Roof Shield System and
Roofprotect products for product liability, so the entire process is not
contingent to claims loss reimbursement if the system should fail, it is
backed by Lloyds of London insurance for its stated performance criteria
completely.
Do you know how to calculate the rate at which any Elastomeric should be
applied, assuming if it is a real resin through acrylic rubber? (in other
words, how much product shows up at the job?)
It depends on the manufacturers specifications. Did the contractor put
enough product on. Will the thickness of the coating be subject to a slit
sampling to make sure?
Do you have their data sheet to calculate the required coverage ratio for
thickness of the coatings?
Are they a paint manufacturer selling roof coatings without a roof leak
free warrantee?
Are they a roof waterproof coating manufacturer who also sells paint that
has to be applied to their waterproofing?
FACT:
Generally most Elastomeric were never designed to be waterproofing roofs
anyway, only walls that's because they hold a percentage of h2o in its
film thickness every time it rains. This type of product is to be applied
at a minimum of 100 sq. ft. per gallon, two coats are applied to arrive at
no less than 8 dry mills per coat. Also water barrier Elastomeric require
a third paint coat to protect it from damage from weathering, protect the
protectant doesn't make much sense if they are waterproof or a
weatherproof roof coating system and product to begin with then additional
coats should be very suspect.
FACT:
1. Home Depot, Lowe's and other roof coating & paint suppliers have no
ability to supply any guarantees whatsoever with regards to the roof
coating products they sell, primarily because they are not designed to
have the characteristics required to provide any long term waterproofing
or weatherproofing capability's.
2. The roof coating and paint retailers listed above do not have any wind
lift strength ratings on their products for tile roofs. Furthermore our
company All Surface Restorations and Preservations Inc. is the only
contracting & manufacturing firm that has the side by side still photo's &
video footage of real case history local results) as well as the original
contracts of the those specific property's dated & documented before the
recent hurricanes :
for example all the houses on the street missing roof tiles except the
homes that had our Roof Shield System installed on it documented years
prior to the advent of real hurricane force winds. On our site there are
several commercial & residential shingle, cement tile, barrel tile, metal
& flat built up roofs jobs with the name address and phone number
throughout Broward and Palm Beach County that have this verification
capability.
FACT:
The other Elastomeric manufacturers listed sell water barrier systems and
products meaning not truly waterproof or weatherproof.
Conversely real waterproof products are 100% resin, no clay or water is
added.
Real weatherproof products and systems have an additional hard coating
proven tested to strengthen the exiting roof system by being all points
monolithic and seamless.
The typical Elastomeric softer top coatings cannot be left in standing
water for prolonged periods without saturation accruing.
Elastomeric are generally known as water barriers (or expensive roof
painting jobs as we refer to them) require more maintenance such as
recoating every 3 to 5 years, If not properly maintained will fail
completely. Weatherproof products require little or no maintenance for 10
years or more. Make sure that anyone making high performance claims can
prove it is really a waterproof or a weatherproof system or product to
begin with.
Do you know what a real system warrantee looks like? First of all it
should be renewable & transferable to another owner if that time comes. It
should say two words: LEAK FREE for years. The manufacturer & contractor
must also state GUARANTEE with the exact same language otherwise good
luck, another words one could simply blame the other for failure of their
system or product. Always get a copy of the warrantee and data sheet of
the products being used and determine if they are both on it or not.
NOTE:
"It is not just painting your roof white"
Make sure your roof is measured correctly, and documented in your contract
and warranty, If it is not it could be a costly mistake for all concerned.
Remember the formula: 100 sq. ft. per gallon per coat. Minimum. If the
products are not all resin acrylic or Dade County approved we wouldn't
suggest you use them in any case.
Roofprotect is applied at 90 sq. ft. per gallon per coat and does not have
to be painted. It is a finished product gloss resin all the way through.
Water cannot pass through once our formula is cured
For the complete Roof Shield System we apply our proprietary hard coat
before the Roofprotect coating to make the tile roof completely seamless
and wind resistant.
Be careful that it is not a competitor using caulk between the joints, or
white Portland.
Is the suggested contractor's system presented have proven testing in real
weathering conditions in the field documented of 7 years or more?
Make sure it has an accompanying roof tile attachment strength test
proving its wind resistance?
Up-Lift Test Video
I have included above disclosed information that should be helpful in
making an informed decision about the specific nature of the type of work
you are considering to be undertaken and what should be expected.
Respectfully yours,
Anthony R. Meurer
President,
All Surface Restorations & Preservations Inc,
www.theroofstore.net
www.roofshieldsystem.com
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All Surface Restorations and Preservations Inc. Blog
Don't Re Roof Weatherproof @ 1/2 the cost
THINGS THE CUSTOMER SHOULD KNOW&THE; QUESTIONS THE CUSTOMER SHOULD ASK
WHEN CONSIDERING PURCHASING AN ADVERTISED ROOF WEATHERPROOFING PAINT
SEALANT SYSTEM TO STOP LEAKS OR TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE EXISTING ROOF.
Read the fine print and be sure to get any and all warranties and
guarantees in writing:
Florida Rules: Regarding the roofing industry for leak guarantees must be
a minimum of 2 years. It also states that unusual wind condition of 65
miles per hour or above will void any previous roof repair or new roof
installation warranties. This can vary depending upon the contractor
and/or the system being installed. In any event, be sure to inquire about
the fine print on the written warranties presented and how this may affect
you in the event of a storm.
If any contractor advertises they are a participating contractor, they use
FPL Energy Star rated products, the products they install are FPL Star
rated and they state that you get 50 cents per square foot rebate,LIKE
Somay Roof Repair Coating,Acrylux Roof Paint ,Acry-tech roof seal or The
Roof Guy.
Translation is, all the programs listed in and above were designed to
encourage the public to help conserve energy consumption and we applaud
their efforts, some of these benefits are for example having your roof
painted white are obvious, it saves on cooling costs by lowering demand
for the electric to run your ac, saves on ac repairs since your ac systems
are not under as much stress, using products like Elastomeric is also
important because you want it to perform as long as possible, getting paid
to do this is even better, right.
Be careful here many of the offers we have examined are selling the sizzle
not the steak.
FACTS:
1. If the contractor is a partner, the REBATE CHECK comes to the
contracting firm not the homeowner any other transaction is unlawful, no
roof contractor gives anyone 50 cents per sq ft to work on your roof,
price/mark up /mark down to where they needed to be AS THE RULE not the
exception.
2. The pressure cleaning and application of white paints or Elastomeric
DOES NOT add wind lift strength ON TILE ROOFS to any substantial levels
and the ONLY TEST THAT PROVES that is the Miami-Dade County State of
Florida approved TAS-106. After the job is completed to demonstrate that
the tile are permanently locked down and can resist real hurricane force
winds and projectiles Up-Lift Test Video
3. By applying a paint or Elastomeric DOES NOT make your roof seamless or
monolithic at all points and by itself is not a multi layered system, is
not able to stop leaks ,unless they are dug out and dried back in with
conventional methods., ONLY EXCEPTION if they are actually installing a
monolithic hard coat over every sq inch of the surface of the roof first
APPLYING SEVERAL thick layers of coatings over a several days See How It's
Done
4. The to be a FPL partner or have your product Energy Star rated does not
require sufficient detailed evidence AND VERIFICATION of documentation
from the contractors installation work actually undertaken or the
manufacturers records that any roofs were installed with their products on
them for no less than a 3 year period, prior to a slit sample removal of
the weathered product and supposed jobsite in question.
CONCLUSION
NOTE: OUR PRODUCT IS being submitted with the additional documentation and
we will continue to endeavor to present the steak, not the sizzle.
Additional Questions The Customer Should Ask
How long has the company been in business?
Do they specialize in roof painting and waterproofing?
Do they have the required license and insurance?
Does the contractor have verifiable roof references over five years/over
10 years in his or her actual name? How many times have they been
cleaned/repainted and at what cost?
What products are being used (within South Florida)?
Roofprotect manufactured by All Surface Restorations&Preservations inc. is
the only one that can be submerged under water for prolonged periods
without subsequent damage due to saturation to the coating, providing it
is installed properly over the surface it's being applied to and
maintained with minimum amount of maintenance/or re-top coating.
FACT:
1. The complete Roof Shield System utilizing Roofprotect products is the
only tile coating process to have a wind lift tested strength rating
results of 100lbs of lift resistance and greater, which is = to 300 to 600
mph wind pressures, another words the roof will come off at the hip before
the tile are breached
2 .All Surface Restorations & Preservations Inc. manufactured & installed
the Roof Shield System utilizing Roofprotect products on all of jobsites
listed on its references pages and holds the original contracts for the
those jobsite testimonials,
3. The only company that warrantees the exiting roof tile attachment to a
cat 5 after the Roof Shield System utilizing Roofprotect products are
applied to an exiting older cement tile, shingle, barrel tile roof.
4. Roofprotect roof acrylic coating that has a zero blistering test
results after cure in prolonged submersion in water and the in the field o
saturation documented on long term projects.
5. Lloyds of London has acknowledged the Roof Shield System and
Roofprotect products for product liability, so the entire process is not
contingent to claims loss reimbursement if the system should fail, it is
backed by Lloyds of London insurance for its stated performance criteria
completely.
Do you know how to calculate the rate at which any Elastomeric should be
applied, assuming if it is a real resin through acrylic rubber? (in other
words, how much product shows up at the job?)
It depends on the manufacturers specifications. Did the contractor put
enough product on. Will the thickness of the coating be subject to a slit
sampling to make sure?
Do you have their data sheet to calculate the required coverage ratio for
thickness of the coatings?
Are they a paint manufacturer selling roof coatings without a roof leak
free warrantee?
Are they a roof waterproof coating manufacturer who also sells paint that
has to be applied to their waterproofing?
FACT:
Generally most Elastomeric were never designed to be waterproofing roofs
anyway, only walls that's because they hold a percentage of h2o in its
film thickness every time it rains. This type of product is to be applied
at a minimum of 100 sq. ft. per gallon, two coats are applied to arrive at
no less than 8 dry mills per coat. Also water barrier Elastomeric require
a third paint coat to protect it from damage from weathering, protect the
protectant doesn't make much sense if they are waterproof or a
weatherproof roof coating system and product to begin with then additional
coats should be very suspect.
FACT:
1. Home Depot, Lowe's and other roof coating & paint suppliers have no
ability to supply any guarantees whatsoever with regards to the roof
coating products they sell, primarily because they are not designed to
have the characteristics required to provide any long term waterproofing
or weatherproofing capability's.
2. The roof coating and paint retailers listed above do not have any wind
lift strength ratings on their products for tile roofs. Furthermore our
company All Surface Restorations and Preservations Inc. is the only
contracting & manufacturing firm that has the side by side still photo's &
video footage of real case history local results) as well as the original
contracts of the those specific property's dated & documented before the
recent hurricanes :
for example all the houses on the street missing roof tiles except the
homes that had our Roof Shield System installed on it documented years
prior to the advent of real hurricane force winds. On our site there are
several commercial & residential shingle, cement tile, barrel tile, metal
& flat built up roofs jobs with the name address and phone number
throughout Broward and Palm Beach County that have this verification
capability.
FACT:
The other Elastomeric manufacturers listed sell water barrier systems and
products meaning not truly waterproof or weatherproof.
Conversely real waterproof products are 100% resin, no clay or water is
added.
Real weatherproof products and systems have an additional hard coating
proven tested to strengthen the exiting roof system by being all points
monolithic and seamless.
The typical Elastomeric softer top coatings cannot be left in standing
water for prolonged periods without saturation accruing.
Elastomeric are generally known as water barriers (or expensive roof
painting jobs as we refer to them) require more maintenance such as
recoating every 3 to 5 years, If not properly maintained will fail
completely. Weatherproof products require little or no maintenance for 10
years or more. Make sure that anyone making high performance claims can
prove it is really a waterproof or a weatherproof system or product to
begin with.
Do you know what a real system warrantee looks like? First of all it
should be renewable & transferable to another owner if that time comes. It
should say two words: LEAK FREE for years. The manufacturer & contractor
must also state GUARANTEE with the exact same language otherwise good
luck, another words one could simply blame the other for failure of their
system or product. Always get a copy of the warrantee and data sheet of
the products being used and determine if they are both on it or not.
NOTE:
"It is not just painting your roof white"
Make sure your roof is measured correctly, and documented in your contract
and warranty, If it is not it could be a costly mistake for all concerned.
Remember the formula: 100 sq. ft. per gallon per coat. Minimum. If the
products are not all resin acrylic or Dade County approved we wouldn't
suggest you use them in any case.
Roofprotect is applied at 90 sq. ft. per gallon per coat and does not have
to be painted. It is a finished product gloss resin all the way through.
Water cannot pass through once our formula is cured
For the complete Roof Shield System we apply our proprietary hard coat
before the Roofprotect coating to make the tile roof completely seamless
and wind resistant.
Be careful that it is not a competitor using caulk between the joints, or
white Portland.
Is the suggested contractor's system presented have proven testing in real
weathering conditions in the field documented of 7 years or more?
Make sure it has an accompanying roof tile attachment strength test
proving its wind resistance?
Up-Lift Test Video
I have included above disclosed information that should be helpful in
making an informed decision about the specific nature of the type of work
you are considering to be undertaken and what should be expected.
Respectfully yours,
Anthony R. Meurer
President,
All Surface Restorations & Preservations Inc,
www.theroofstore.net
