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Abortion bans are not about "controlling bodies" as Democrats claim.
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Robert Canales
2024-10-29 09:36:16 UTC
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It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
behavior in an overpopulated world.
Baxter
2024-10-29 14:53:39 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
behavior in an overpopulated world.
Go crawl back into the misogynist hole you oozed out of.
pothead
2024-10-31 01:26:11 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would not
get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
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pothead

See Kamala Harris best interview ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
She really knocks this one out of the park.
Don't you agree?
Ed Pawlowski
2024-10-31 03:55:59 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would not
get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant. Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic. In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged.
Educate yourself.
Tampon Timmy
2024-10-31 10:25:14 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would not
get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant.  Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic.  In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged. Educate
yourself.

"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a mother’s life."

"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-about-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-correction/"

Educate yourself.
Ed Pawlowski
2024-10-31 13:45:15 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would not
get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant.  Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic.  In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged. Educate
yourself.
"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a mother’s life."
"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-
about-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-correction/"
Educate yourself.
I have.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/
Scout
2024-10-31 16:27:56 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would
not
Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by pothead
get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant. Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic. In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged. Educate
yourself.
"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a mother’s life."
"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-
about-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-correction/"
Educate yourself.
I have.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/
The question is whether the hospital's requirement is one they came up with,
or one required by the law.

I see nothing that says it was a legal requirement but rather something
decided on by the doctors.

So until you can establish who is at fault, and that they were truly at
fault (after all no one is God and knows with certainty what the future
holds) then all you have is a matter of conjecture that the law was at
fault.

I await your follow-up of something more definitive and precise that shows
the law is at fault, and that the law required the doctors not to act rather
than the doctors choosing not to do so.
Bob F
2024-11-01 19:37:46 UTC
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Post by Ed Pawlowski
 >>> It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
 >>> behavior in an overpopulated world.
 >>>
 >> If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they
would not
 >> get preggo in the first place.
 >> Rape, incest etc excepted.
 >>
 >>
 >
 > OMG, that is ignorant.  Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic.
In some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged.
Educate yourself.
"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a mother’s life."
"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-
about-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-correction/"
Educate yourself.
I have.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/
The question is whether the hospital's requirement is one they came up
with, or one required by the law.
I see nothing that says it was a legal requirement but rather something
decided on by the doctors.
So until you can establish who is at fault, and that they were truly at
fault (after all no one is God and knows with certainty what the future
holds) then all you have is a matter of conjecture that the law was at
fault.
I await your follow-up of something more definitive and precise that
shows the law is at fault, and that the law required the doctors not to
act rather than the doctors choosing not to do so.
Idiocy! Texas GOP passed the law with severe penalties for any abortion,
with no exemptions and appropriate definitions to allow doctors to make
decisions to take action, putting them at unknown risk, for acting on
their own, of many years in prison.
Citizen Winston Smith
2024-11-01 21:41:22 UTC
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Post by Bob F
Idiocy! Texas GOP passed the law with severe penalties for any abortion,
with no exemptions and appropriate definitions to allow
But they did NOT get rid of New Mexico which is an _abortion on demand_
magnet state and lies right next door, you odious little oaf!
Tampon Timmy
2024-11-02 10:30:25 UTC
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Post by Bob F
Idiocy! Texas GOP passed the law with severe penalties for any
abortion, with no exemptions and appropriate definitions to allow
doctors to make decisions to take action, putting them at unknown
risk, for acting on their own, of many years in prison.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

https://www.sll.texas.gov/faqs/abortion-illegal-texas/
Baxter
2024-10-31 14:52:57 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible
whore behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would
not get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant.  Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic. 
In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged.
Educate yourself.
"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a mother’s life."
"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-abou
t-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-correction/"
Educate yourself.
They claim to have an exception to save mother's life, but in practice
it's not there.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-10-31 15:43:42 UTC
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Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by pothead
Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible
whore behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would
not get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant.  Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic.  In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged.
Educate yourself.
"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a mother’s life."
"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-abou
t-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-correction/"
Educate yourself.
They claim to have an exception to save mother's life, but in practice
it's not there.
So claims Baxter. LOL
Scout
2024-10-31 16:31:38 UTC
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Post by Baxter
Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by pothead
Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible
whore behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would
not get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant. Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic.Â
In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged.
Educate yourself.
"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a motherâ?Ts life."
"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-abou
t-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-correction/"
Educate yourself.
They claim to have an exception to save mother's life, but in practice
it's not there.
So claims Baxter. LOL
The exception is in the law, that's not used sometimes is a matter to take
up with those that didn't use the exception.

Oh, and let's keep in mind that no one is perfect. We have women who have
complications and even death as a result of an abortion.
So we see him complaining about how the laws that allow abortions are
harming and killing those women?

But the Rudy is a master of the double standard.. sometimes even triple or
quadruple standard.
Baxter
2024-11-01 03:12:34 UTC
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Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentö***@gmail.com> wrote
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Baxter
Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by pothead
Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible
whore behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would
not get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant.  Even wanted pregnancy can be
problematic. 
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Baxter
Post by Ed Pawlowski
In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged.
Educate yourself.
"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a mother’s life."
"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-
abou
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Baxter
Post by Ed Pawlowski
t-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-
correction/"
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Baxter
Post by Ed Pawlowski
Educate yourself.
They claim to have an exception to save mother's life, but in practice
it's not there.
So claims Baxter. LOL
So claim medical experts.
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But Barnica’s fetus still had a heartbeat. And under the Texas ban,
doctors could not intervene unless a “medical emergency” – a term that
was not defined in the law – developed.

About 40 hours after Barnica’s second arrival at the hospital, doctors
stopped being able to detect a fetal heartbeat, according to the report.
A doctor expedited her labor using medications and delivered Barnica’s
fetus. But after she returned home, Barnica’s bleeding continued and
worsened.

Within days, she was back at the hospital, where she died of sepsis
involving “products of conception”, according to her autopsy report. Her
widowed husband is now raising their four-year-old daughter, ProPublica
reported.

Multiple experts, including OB-GYNs and maternal fetal medicine
specialists, told ProPublica that delaying Barnica’s care ran against the
medical standard of care due to the risk of infection. Had she been given
options earlier, they told the outlet, Barnica might have survived.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/30/texas-woman-death-
abortion-ban-miscarriage.
Citizen Winston Smith
2024-11-01 14:58:47 UTC
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But Barnica’s fetus still had a heartbeat. And under the Texas ban,
doctors could not intervene unless a “medical emergency” – a term that
was not defined in the law – developed.
For her there is an abortion magnet state right next door - New Mexico.

Cope.
Baxter
2024-11-02 02:06:35 UTC
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But Barnica’s fetus still had a heartbeat. And under the Texas ban,
doctors could not intervene unless a “medical emergency” – a
term that was not defined in the law – developed.
For her there is an abortion magnet state right next door - New Mexico.
Cope.
Not an excuse, and she probably would not have survived the trip.
Bob F
2024-11-02 04:35:56 UTC
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Post by Citizen Winston Smith
But Barnica’s fetus still had a heartbeat. And under the Texas ban,
doctors could not intervene unless a “medical emergency” – a
term that was not defined in the law – developed.
For her there is an abortion magnet state right next door - New Mexico.
Cope.
Not an excuse, and she probably would not have survived the trip.
There is nothing humanitarian in the GOP. "Winston" demonstrates that
again. Follow their rules and die is A-OK with them.
Tampon Timmy
2024-11-02 10:06:17 UTC
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There is nothing humanitarian in the GOP. "Winston" demonstrates that
again. Follow their rules and die is A-OK with them.
What about the Democrat's nursing home deaths?

Governor Tim Walz is as guilty as Cuomo of killing the elderly in his
state during COVID.

Earlier this week, we learned that former New York governor Andrew Cuomo
was being recommended for criminal prosecution related to his actions
and responses under oath surrounding his actions during the COVID pandemic.

Cuomo deserves much worse.

His policies of mandating the placement of COVID-19 patients back into
nursing homes and other extended care facilities were deadly.

Thousands of elderly Americans died in New York as a result of this policy.

"https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/revealed-governor-tim-walz-is-as-guilty-as/"


So killing old people is A-OK with Democrats?
Baxter
2024-11-02 14:37:59 UTC
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Post by Bob F
There is nothing humanitarian in the GOP. "Winston" demonstrates that
again. Follow their rules and die is A-OK with them.
What about the Democrat's nursing home deaths?
Governor Tim Walz is as guilty as Cuomo of killing the elderly in his
state during COVID.
Earlier this week, we learned that former New York governor Andrew
Cuomo was being recommended for criminal prosecution related to his
actions and responses under oath surrounding his actions during the
COVID pandemic.
Cuomo deserves much worse.
His policies of mandating the placement of COVID-19 patients back into
nursing homes and other extended care facilities were deadly.
Thousands of elderly Americans died in New York as a result of this policy.
"https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/revealed-governor-tim-walz-is
-as-guilty-as/"
So killing old people is A-OK with Democrats?
How many unnecessary COVID deaths under and because of tRump? At that
time, conservaturds weren't concerned - because they were old people and
going to die anyway.

Now you are suddenly concerned about old people?
Lil dwarf Rudey
2024-11-04 22:28:23 UTC
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Post by Bob F
Post by Baxter
Post by Citizen Winston Smith
But Barnica’s fetus still had a heartbeat. And under the Texas ban,
doctors could not intervene unless a “medical emergency” – a
term that was not defined in the law – developed.
For her there is an abortion magnet state right next door - New Mexico.
Cope.
Not an excuse, and she probably would not have survived the trip.
There is nothing humanitarian in the GOP. "Winston" demonstrates that
again. Follow their rules and die is A-OK with them.
You failed to acknowledge the abortion magnet state next door, which is
pro forma for you lefty fascists.

Scout
2024-10-31 16:28:57 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible
whore behavior in an overpopulated world.
If women are so concerned about control of their bodies they would
not get preggo in the first place.
Rape, incest etc excepted.
OMG, that is ignorant. Even wanted pregnancy can be problematic.Â
In
some cases, the mother died because the doctor would be charged.
Educate yourself.
"No state has an abortion law that is a total ban on abortion. Every
state law permits abortion when necessary to save a motherâ?Ts life."
"https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/articles/misleading-statements-abou
t-life-of-the-mother-exceptions-in-pro-life-laws-require-correction/"
Educate yourself.
They claim to have an exception to save mother's life, but in practice
it's not there.
Then it seems as if the fault isn't in the law.. but the execution by the
doctors.
John Smyth
2024-11-03 00:22:49 UTC
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Post by Robert Canales
It's simply about controlling the end result of irresponsible whore
behavior in an overpopulated world.
As long as men are making the decisions and not women, it's all that matters.
Women are stupid. They can't take care of themselves so it's up to men.
It's a man's decision whether or not a woman can take birth control and
certainly must never have an abortion. Maternity leave needs to be
abolished too.

That's how things were in the good old days and what we want now.
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